Talk:Zeltiq Aesthetics

Draft

The current article relies almost exclusively on primary or weak sources, such as a press release, standard bios from a database/directory on Yahoo!/Reuters, and includes trivial information about Zeltiq winning an award and attending a conference. It also contains errors, such as saying ZELTIQ has other products and that it is for general "weight loss".

As previously discussed with user:Doc James and User:Crisco 1492, I don't believe this article should actually exist. My own advice at WP:ORGVANITY says the article "should be named after whichever is most notable (the person, company or product)" and in this case the product (CoolSculpting) is much more notable than the company. However, if this page is going to exist, I'd like to correct and improve it.

I've started a draft for consideration at User:CorporateM/Zeltiq. I'm still actively working on the draft, but wanted to get a couple quick eyeballs on it before I dive too deep into it, in case it's decided not to have this article. The "final" probably won't look too different; I just need to vet all the sources and improve them where possible, do copyediting, etc. CorporateM (Talk) 16:28, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Request edit

Requesting consideration of the proposed draft located at User:CorporateM/Zeltiq. This would dramatically reduce the article's reliance on primary sources, contribute to the general expansion of the page, and trim a couple of trivial things regarding an award and conference.

As with the Invisalign page, if someone does spot this in the Request Edit queue right away, please don't implement the draft right away without giving DocJames or any other watchlisters a week to chime in. Thanks in advance for taking a look!

PS - I know this page will raise a few fringe-alarms given the industry they are in, but I think if you review the sources, you'll find that current review articles in peer-reviewed journals with an impact score do actually say it is safe and effective (not quack medicine, alternative, or any of that nonsense). CorporateM (Talk) 04:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

CorporateM, Maybe I did not understand what you wrote to me. If I well understood, it should be here some secondary sources to enhance this article. I could get those articles at Internet, but if you have something it would be nice.I will work on it in the coming days. Best regards. EstonianMan (talk) 04:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@EstonianMan: I was asking if you could take a look here. CorporateM (Talk) 15:04, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

CorporateM, Ops! Sorry! Great... Give me some days... BTW... Are you good in medical devices (or equipment)? I have some points of view that I would like to get an opinion. Something related to organize companies and products... Maybe a table... Can I send some comments to you please? Thanks, EstonianMan (talk) 15:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

I am perhaps one of our most experienced editors on corporate pages, having created a substantial portion of all our GA ranked company pages. I have almost zero experience or expertise on medical subjects though. If you want to hit me with your questions on my Talk page, I might be able to answer them if they are more company-page relevant, or point you to someone that can help on medical subjects. CorporateM (Talk) 16:44, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@CorporateM: I've looked through your draft and it mostly seems ok. I'm going to move most of it over, but I have a few questions and changes:

1. Daily Mail is generally not used as a reliable source, so I'm removing the claim sourced to it.
2. By 2010, the company had raised $50 million in financing over three rounds of funding.[5][19] An additional $25 million in funding was raised in June 2010.[20] Are you sure this is right? Source 5 seems to imply the $25 million from June is part of the $50 million. Will remove the second sentence until confident that it is accurate.
3. CoolScupting became popular This seems overly vague. Will change to "increased in popularity" when I move it over.

Apologies for the extreme delay you've faced in getting this request answered.Brustopher (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

EstonianMan Finally I did the changes, but we should review the content for details. —Preceding undated comment added 16:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@CorporateM: Could you review it please? I got sick etc so I delayed a lot to do that.

Juniper

So the source -- "PartnerCare enters strategic alliance with Synergy". Long Island Business News. October 16, 1998. - is about a Long Island holding company called Juniper Group Inc. (CEO Vlado P. Hreljanovic) that "operates in the health care management area through two subsidiaries of Juniper Medical Systems Inc., which offers medical revenue enhancement to hospitals and cost containment to managed care health groups and insurance companies" . This is a collection agency company.

Zeltiq was formerly called Juniper Medical, Inc. (so no "Systems" in the name) It has always been in California, and has never had anything to do with collections that I have seen. for petes sake. Jytdog (talk) 22:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Adverse effects?

There was a story in the New York Times and several other publications about how model Linda Evangelista complained that Zeltiq’s CoolSculpting left her "disfigured." This is always a problem with cosmetic surgery procedures, but it should be kept in perspective. If the company is publicly traded, they are legally required to include "material risks" of lawsuits in a section of their annual report. I couldn't find any. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1415336/000162828016012690/zltq-12312015x10k.htm#s066EBB05D4E227C891A6CE91E249F618 I could also find references to class action lawsuit for securities fraud, and for personal injury. I'll leave it to somebody else to follow these up. --Nbauman (talk) 18:54, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

https://mylawadvocate.com/coolsculpting-lawsuit/

+1. I learned about this story with Linda from the People's material today, which got cited in a bunch of other media across the world https://people.com/style/why-linda-evangelista-waited-to-tell-her-son-about-fat-freezing-trauma Then I got interested to learn more about the procedure she did, and whether there was any science behind it... so googling for CoolSculpting I immediately landed to this article, and I am a bit surprised to see no mention of the Linda story here, nor a wider comments on whether it works / what other people say about side effects / are there any legal actions, etc. I think, this stuff should be in this article, but I know nothing about it to write it :) Birdofpreyru (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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