Talk:Zimmerit

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Altough commonly called like that, "anti-magnetic" is incorrect phrase. It would mean that the Zimmerit effectively nulled magnetic fields, though in fact it simply kept a distance between the metal surface and the magnetic mines so that they could not have been fixed on the vehicle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adonaszi (talkcontribs)

This is addressed in the article already. It's not saying "anti-magnetic"; it's saying "anti-magnetic mine". --DanielCD 15:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Should the article address the question of whether or not any of the Allies even 'had' magnetic mines to begin with?68.144.172.8 (talk) 21:34, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Open-topped SPGs?[edit]

Article currently states that marder IIIs and hornisse had zimmerit. Can anyone cite that? Thanks. DMorpheus (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

This article could use some reliable sources. I tagged it. DMorpheus (talk) 15:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I have twice reverted references to zimmerit on the thin-skinned open-top SPGs Marder and Hornisse. I have never seen any reliable source making this claim and have never seen a photo of either vehicle type with zimmerit.

This raises the issue of the sourcing for the entire article, which is extremely weak anyway. I tagged the entire article a few weeks back. We really need a reliable source or two on this; currently we are relying on a single self-published web site that is simply not considered reliable by wikipedia standards.

Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 21:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

You have twice reverted a change regarding the Hornisse only. Surely your personal experience of which vehicles had Zimmerit coating is even less valid than the current (admittedly poor) source, so I suggest we allow the Hornisse entry to stay until we find a better source.
With reference to that, another page [1] on Zimmerit has very similar information, but lists its sources. One is an article by Donald Spalding of AFV News, Jan-Apr/1983 issue, unfortunately the link is dead, but it seems he did research at the Imperial War Museum, someone copied the report here: [2]. Obviously neither of these are good as direct sources for the article either, but may help us track one down. I've tried, but came to dead ends.
It may be that SPIELBERGER, Walter J., Sturmgeschutz & Its Variants, (Spielberger German Armor & Military Vehicles Series, Vol 2). Schiffer Publishing, 1933, which is also quoted as a source has useful information, but I don't have access to that book. I'm probably visiting the Bovington Tank Museum soon, so I'll scour their resources for something useful too.
Additionally, someone capable (i.e. understands German), may be able to track down the OKW order regarding Zimmerit application.
Hohum (talk) 16:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate you searching for better sources. I will do the same. In the meantime, nothing should ever go into an article that isn't sourced reliably, and the Marder and Hornisse aren't. I've reverted this content more than twice ;) Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 18:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've found some published sources via google book search, and can preview some of the relevant pages. The most comprehensive reference is here: p.19, World War II Infantry Anti-Tank Tactics, By Gordon L. Rottman, Steve Noon, Martin Windrow, Osprey Publishing, 2005 ISBN 1841768421, 9781841768427. There are many other books with mentions, but they are mostly passing comments, and sometimes dates of start/end of usage for various tanks here. This is probably good enough for inline citations for some of the information. Hohum (talk) 00:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)