Template:Did you know nominations/Eager (horse) & Colt by Fidget
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The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 19:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Eager (horse), Colt by Fidget
[edit]- ... that the racehorse Eager was not given the name till the year after winning the 1791 Derby Stakes, whereas the 1797 Derby winner was never officially given a name?
Created/expanded by Tigerboy1966 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:17, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
- Source 11 says that one of fidget's brothers was named Eager, if I understand correctly. I am not sure that the horse that raced in 1791 as brother to fidget is this brother. What source clarifies that the 91 racer is the one referred to in source 11.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
What source says the other horse was never given a name?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- How about this edit by Tigerboy1966, Tony? --PFHLai (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- I have struck my concern.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:59, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Both articles pass for date and length. The hook seems interesting enough.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:32, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- How about this edit by Tigerboy1966, Tony? --PFHLai (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Is this ready? Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am not sure that Eager is the horse referred the brother of Fidget at issue.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- From the pedigrees in the articles for Eager and the colt by Fidget, Eager and Fidget are indeed brothers, and more specifically full brothers. Both were sired by Florizel, out of a Matchem mare born in 1777. Both pedigrees indicate that the dam of the "Matchem mare" is a "Syphon mare". A side note: In the Thoroughbred industry (and I believe horse breeding in general), "siblings" are from the same dam. "Full siblings" have the same sire and dam; "half-siblings" have the same dam. Although horses from the same sire are genetically half-siblings, the industry does not consider such horses to have a sibling relationship. — Dale Arnett (talk) 20:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- First of all, neither pedigree section uses references. Second, my concern is not whether they are brothers, but whether the horse described as brother of fidget is this one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
- From the pedigrees in the articles for Eager and the colt by Fidget, Eager and Fidget are indeed brothers, and more specifically full brothers. Both were sired by Florizel, out of a Matchem mare born in 1777. Both pedigrees indicate that the dam of the "Matchem mare" is a "Syphon mare". A side note: In the Thoroughbred industry (and I believe horse breeding in general), "siblings" are from the same dam. "Full siblings" have the same sire and dam; "half-siblings" have the same dam. Although horses from the same sire are genetically half-siblings, the industry does not consider such horses to have a sibling relationship. — Dale Arnett (talk) 20:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am not sure that Eager is the horse referred the brother of Fidget at issue.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- I added some references to support the fact that Eager was running under the moniker "brother to Fidget" when he won the Derby and that in later references to the race, the horse is identified as being Eager by Florizel out of the 1777 Matchem Mare. The pedigree section appears to be referenced now. Froggerlaura (talk) 03:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
- I still see no sources in the pedigree section.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Both charts are now fully sourced. Since pedigree query is not a reliable source and Equineline does not go back that far, each horse is referenced from the GSB. Froggerlaura (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- I still see no sources in the pedigree section.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- I added some references to support the fact that Eager was running under the moniker "brother to Fidget" when he won the Derby and that in later references to the race, the horse is identified as being Eager by Florizel out of the 1777 Matchem Mare. The pedigree section appears to be referenced now. Froggerlaura (talk) 03:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
