Template:Did you know nominations/Emily Winifred Dickson

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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 16:35, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Emily Winifred Dickson

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~~... that one of her postgraduate professors accused Doctor Emily Winifred Dickson of cheating, as he had accepted her into his course believing Winifred to be a man's name?~~

ALT1:... that students at the Royal College of Surgeons protested at being asked questions on midwifery by a woman – even though Emily Winifred Dickson was a Fellow of the College?

Created by Antiqueight (talk). Self-nominated at 14:08, 12 March 2016 (UTC).

Article creation and DYK filing dates okay. Article length okay. Neutrality and content sourcing good, no signs of copyvio that I see. Image fair use makes sense to me. I think ALT1 is the preferable hook, because to most people's ears Winifred is a woman's name (certainly to anyone who remembers the Margaret Tyzack character in The Forsyte Saga) and thus the first hook seems off. ALT1 hook sourcing, length, and neutrality are okay.

But, the article has some other problems. The sentence beginning "Although she was described by some colleagues ..." is missing a space in front and contains a contraction in WP voice. The sentence beginning "In the same year, 1893 ..." is either missing a comma after the year or the year is superfluous. It also has a space between the period and the footnotes. The lack of a specific date of death is frustrating, especially for one that is mid-20th century; surely there must be a newspaper obit available somewhere. Why is "British" listed as one of her nationalities, other than that she lived there for many years? The second through sixth entries in the Sources list are too threadbare – they need publishers, authors, dates of publication and/or dates of access, etc. The section headers are too misleading - they suggest she had a career until she started a family and then the career stopped for good. I suggest that the first one be called "Early career" and the second one "Family and later career". And then the "In a letter in 1942 ..." sentence could be moved from the first to the latter section. These issues should be addressed before the article goes up on the WP main page. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Space in front of Although fixed - In the same year - fixed. ~~Still looking for a full death date - I will ask people with access to full paid websites that have it to check for it~~^{Found it and added it}. British is listed because by being born before 1922 she is also British and she lived in the UK for most of her later life - so she had both British and Irish nationality. Suggestion taken on section headings. I knew they needed something to improve it. Sentence moved as suggested too. Citations I will finish looking at tomorrow. Let me know if there are others and those can be addressed as well. Thank you. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 01:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Citations updated where possible. I don't have authors for most as they aren't given. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 14:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

The citations are better but you need to be more exact on the titles. It's "Herstory III: Profiles of a further eight Ulster–Scots women". The RCSI one is "Emily Winifred Dickson (1866-1944)". The Lancet one is "Emily Winifred Dickson Martin". And so forth. There are also a couple of additional instances of spaces between period and footnote – do a search for " [" on the displayed page in your browser. One additional piece of content worth including is per the Herstory III source: her daughter Elizabeth married Kenneth Clark, which makes Emily Winifred Dickson the mother-in-law of the man who made Civilisation and the grandmother of military historian and Conservative MP Alan Clark. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, citations are NOT my strong suit. I am still learning them. I have made the changes you suggest - Do they work? I don't have some of the tools I would use if I had a pc to check for errors like spaces easily so I do miss them. I had intended adding the content about her daughter and totally forgot about it. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 14:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, we're good to go with ALT1. Don't mind these comments and points on formatting; they are part of the deal here, but the important thing is that you created a good article on an important historical subject and did a part in helping WP correct one of its well-known systemic biases. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)