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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 13:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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Garden room

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Sissinghurst Castle Garden
Sissinghurst Castle Garden
  • ... that Vita Sackville-West described the garden rooms she created at Sissinghurst as "a series of privacies...all a series of escapes from the world, giving the impression of cumulative escape"? Source: Uglow, Jenny, A Little History of British Gardening, 2004, Chatto & Windus, ISBN 0701169281 Quoted p. 253

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 18:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC).

  • ALT1 ... that Vita Sackville-West described the garden rooms she created at Sissinghurst as "a series of escapes from the world, giving the impression of cumulative escape"?
    I've suggested ALT1 as being a little shorter than ALT0. It differs in having the first part of the quotation removed. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you, Johnbod, for this fascinating article about historical gardens. A few notes:

  • As it happens I have recently uploaded some engravings from the Gott Collection by Johannes Kip (category here) which may include some garden rooms as you suggest in your article. If you would like me to create categories designed to connect his garden room pictures to your existing garden room category, please let me know which images need connecting (I am not qualified to spot C18 garden rooms).

Meanwhile, this article is absolutely fine, and passes DYK requirements, and this nomination should have a green tick, if I were feeling lazy.

  • However, firstly I think we could make the article conform a little more to WP house style, and thereby look a little more professional - hopefully that should not require too much effort. Firstly, the header is supposed to summarise the main text, but currently it contains material which is not in the main text (or have I missed something?) So could you please check that all facts from the header are repeated and cited in the main text?
  • Secondly, the history section is currently a wall of text, which is daunting to some readers and entails a lot of scrolling on your phone. So it needs breaking up with subheadings. Subheadings also encourage other editors to put their additional facts in the right place, which cuts down the creator-irritation factor. Subheadings in this case could cover time periods, place/continent, or other aspects. (That might mean a little rearrangement of the history section, but that can be a good thing if it makes it easier for the reader to take in differentiated aspects of your choosing).

You are entitled to disagree with this, and if so I shall give it the green tick, but honestly I think it would work better with the above improvements. Storye book (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I've used the Kip images, and categorized the most relevant ones. As you say, these are not DYK points & I have to say I don't agree with them. The lead section has referenced material to distinguish the subject from other, different ones, which are linked. In a short lead this is fine. I can't agree the history section is "a wall of text", & I think one of the worst features of many poorer articles on WP is a proliferation of short sections. Mobile phone users could always try reading instead of scrolling through (to what exactly, as this is the last section)! Johnbod (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Well I've grudgingly added sub-heads to the history. Now mobile phone users can be in and out in seconds. Johnbod (talk) 19:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
  • No worries, Johnbod, we all do our best for WP, and thank you for your patience and the subheadings. This nomination is good to go. Storye book (talk) 19:49, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

ALT1 to T:DYK/P4

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