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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 02:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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History of Turku

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Turku Castle was founded in the 1280s as an administrative castle for the Swedish crown.
Turku Castle was founded in the 1280s as an administrative castle for the Swedish crown.

Created by Peltimikko (talk). Self-nominated at 01:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/History of Turku; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • I will review this nomination shortly. TSventon (talk) 18:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  • @Peltimikko: could you reword the hook? Piping Turku in Finland to History of Turku is a WP:EASTEREGG, which should be avoided, you could, instead, pipe medieval Turku to History of Turku. Also if you want to include a picture you need to add something like (Turku Castle pictured) after the link to the subject. I would trim the picture caption to just Turku Castle.
  • I have asked some content questions on the article talk page.
  • I have checked all the online references, could you check the Statistics Finland one as I got a 404 page not found message. I have added two citation needed tags where sentences were not supported by the reference which followed them. TSventon (talk) 20:20, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  • 👉 Content and sources added. Fixed Statistics Finland. Offline problem is hard to avoid as the subject is not very common, but I tried to added as much online side content as possible. Unfortunately, reliable English sources are scarce.
  • 👉 DYK alternatives:
    ... that Turku (Castle pictured), situated in Finland, was the second-largest city in the medieval kingdom of Sweden? or
    ... that Turku (Castle pictured) was the second most important town in the medieval kingdom of Sweden? Peltimikko (talk) 22:15, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  • @Peltimikko: links to Wikipedia articles should not be surprising (AKA Easter Eggs), so [[History of Turku|Turku]] is a bad idea. I suggested [[History of Turku|medieval Turku]] as an alternative.
  • Could you provide an alternative hook? The article is quite long and there must be more facts which are suitable for the main page.
  • Offline and foreign language sources are allowed, I can read Swedish reasonably well and use Google translate to get an idea of online Finnish. TSventon (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  • In the alternative hook, every year probably needs to be almost every year. the YLE source says the tradition goes back to Birger Jarl in the 14th century, which should be the 13th century, over 700 years ago. I suggest linking the subject as [[History of Turku|over 700 years]] as the Christmas Peace is modern as well as medieval. TSventon (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The declaration of Christmas Peace in Turku in 1965.
    👉 It seems that the peace truce during Christmas has its roots in Birger Jarl of Sweden. However, the tradition of the declaration started in Turku (Österland) in the 14th century, or 1320s, depending on the source. So perhaps more than 50 years after the death of Birger Jarl.
  • 👉 Alternatively, you can use this picture.
  • 👉 edited DYK suggestion: " ... that the city of Turku has declared a Christmas peace almost every year for over 700 years (pictured).
  • Peltimikko The DYK hook needs to be true and be included in the article with a reference. 1320s to 2023 is about 700 years, as the exact start date is not knowm. The 1320s should be included in the article, together with the reference which supports the 1320s. If the reference is offline, a quote of the relevant sentence and a translation of it would be useful. TSventon (talk) 20:33, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  • 👉 As this article explains [1], things are not simple: "It is certainly a medieval custom although we lack original sources from the town of Turku that would definitively confirm when the custom was established or that it indeed has been uninterrupted. However, we can contextualize this with evidence from other Swedish medieval towns with surviving later-medieval court records. " Peltimikko (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Peltimikko, I will leave the alternative hook due to the sourcing problems. I have edited the original hook to deal with the Easter egg link, I hope that is acceptable.
  • Moving on to the review, I am approving the original hook as amended. The article is new enough long enough and well written. I didn't find any copyright violation and the article has sufficient citations, assuming good faith on offline sources. The hook is sufficiently interesting and cited. This is Peltimikko's first nomination, so no QPQ is needed. TSventon (talk) 20:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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