Template:Did you know nominations/Jessica Garretson Finch

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 11:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Jessica Garretson Finch

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... that Jessica Finch coined the phrase "current events" to help work her way through college?

Created by E.M.Gregory (talk). Self-nominated at 12:19, 22 November 2015 (UTC).

I think that the hook would be a bit better if it was a bit clearer. Also, the hook has to contain a bold link to the article that's the subject of the DYK. I've proposed an alternative below; E.M.Gregory please let me know what you think. Mobile Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Jessica Garretson Finch coined the phrase "current events" while serving as a part-time teacher to put herself through college?

That works well, thank you.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Are we sure about the accuracy of this statement? I found "It will be in the recollection of every one who is in the habit of attending to current events, that ..." ("Mr. Congreve's Rockets", The Times, Sep 26, 1807; pg. 2) and "at the present moment current events furnish so much matter for animadversion, that ..." (Letter to the editor, Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette, 15 March 1827). There may well be more. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

(I've changed my previous review pass mark per Philafrenzys comment) The article is new (created two days ago), long enough (over 2,000 characters), it's written form a neutral POV, and it cites inline citations. The hook is short enough (almost 140 characters), interesting, cited in the article, NPOV and non-negative. It's E.M. Gregory's first nomination, and thus QPQ is not applied. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) ^{a penny for your thoughts?} 13:20, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment What about the fact that the hook is probably wrong? Philafrenzy (talk) 14:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Good point, User:Philafrenzy. I was simple-mindedly following the source, but it is NOT a good idea to hook with a well-sourced factoid that is demonstrably wrong.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I am sure you can find something else good. We have better sources now than they had in the 1940s. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Jessica Garretson Finch founded Finch College to train young women for careers, but it became a famous finishing school?E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Not good enough, since Finch College started as a finishing school to become a liberal arts college. I think, that the hook is a little bit misleading in the way it's written. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) ^{a penny for your thoughts?} 10:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I see where you got that, from the Finch College page where a late-century president who obviously didn't know anything about the founding (as a career-skills oriented high school, that attracted rich girls, segued into a finishing school/junior college and , finally became a 4-year junior college that got the social-scene girls (Tricia Nixon) while the brainy girls (Julie Nixon) went to Smith College). I was charmed to discover a suffragette/college founder from that era. And delighted to be able to give her an article. But I'm no good at writing hooks. Does anyone with Wikipedia Project: Women's History have an interest/knack in writing DYK hooks?E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

You could say something about her being a "suffragette who was president of the New York Equal Franchise Society and advocated careers for women" assuming you have the refs to back it up. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that Jessica Garretson Finch was a suffragette who founded Finch College and advocated for careers for women?

It's valid and supported, just, I thought hooks were supposed to be novel, surprising or exciting.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

That looks just fine. The article itself has been reviewed in a previous comment. Concerning the hook: is short enough, supported in the article by a couple of inline citations (although not online, they are accepted in good faith), sounds interesting and is non negative. QPQ does not apply. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) ^{a penny for your thoughts?} 15:44, 24 November 2015 (UTC)