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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:32, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

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Joe Kirby (teacher)

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Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 16:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough and within policy (well cited, no close paraphrasing suspected). QPQ done. I don't really think ALT1 is very hooky. ALT0 is better, but I think it needs to say who Kirby is. Naming the book doesn't help and I find a little distracting. I suggest this tweak:
  • ALT2 ... that British education blogger Joe Kirby argues that teachers can avoid burnout by marking less homework?
MB 05:34, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you @MB:. Sorry for late reply. ALT2 ok with me. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:22, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
with ALT2. MB 20:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but while the hook is making an active statement, that in the book Kirby is speaking about teachers, the article prose is not written that way at all; it sounds like avoiding burnout by having less marking is simply a byproduct of students' ability to do their homework. Here is the sentence in the article: and how consistency and simplicity in a "centralised system" allow students to complete homework without overloading teachers with marking, and thereby reducing burnout. Yoninah (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks @Yoninah:. I'm looking again. In his chapter on homework, Joe Kirby describes how simplified, centralised systems and consistency enable all our pupils to complete homework every evening, whilst minimising effort for teachers....with the aim to reduce teacher workload...the elimination of homework is not about saving pupils – it is about saving teachers. “Common practices result in heavy workload, high burnout, and very, very high levels of teacher turnover,” Mr Kirby said. “Every single decision we make, we want to look at through this lens: is it going to reduce workload for teachers? We want to create a new blueprint, where it’s possible for teachers to have a life.” [1]...I've made an edit and I'll go through again unless you think it looks ok now. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Whispyhistory: thank you for your edits. While the article reads well, it seems to me that the ALT0 hook really refers to his blog post "Marking is a Hornet". Yoninah (talk) 12:17, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
How about that teacher Joe Kirby describes marking homework as a hornet? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
As suggested by Philafrenzy, I have added Alt3. The other Alt1 and Alt2 are okay too. Would this need another review Yoninah? The hornet hook is appealing.Whispyhistory (talk) 07:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
He may be a better teacher than zoologist but it sounds quirky enough. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT3 is verified and cited inline. I have struck the other hooks for being less interesting. Rest of review per MB. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:35, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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