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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Ludwig's subathon

Ludwig Ahgren in 2021
Ludwig Ahgren in 2021

Improved to Good Article status by PerfectSoundWhatever (talk). Self-nominated at 01:22, 10 December 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

QPQ: No - Not done
Overall: @PerfectSoundWhatever: Good article. Article is sourced and the hook is interesting. Just waiting on a QPQ now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Can't believe I forgot to sign my post. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Alright, approving. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have checked this one out and it is ready to be promoted. Presently prep 3 has 4 male hooks, so it will have to wait. Bruxton (talk) 01:42, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
  • @PerfectSoundWhatever, Bruxton, and RoySmith: I've pulled this from prep following a discussion at WT:DYK that identified a sourcing question – also, consensus on a hook should be achieved before repromotion. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 11:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Alright, I'll make a list of the current proposed hooks:
  • ALT0 ... that Ludwig Ahgren's planned 24-hour livestream was postponed – so he continuously livestreamed for 31 days instead? source
  • ALT1 ... that Ludwig Ahgren livestreamed for 31 days after his 24-hour livestream was postponed by his appendectomy? source
  • ALT2 ... that Ludwig Ahgren grossed US$1,434,850 for continuously livestreaming his life for 31 days? source
  • ALT3 ... that Ludwig Ahgren showered on camera during his 31-day continuous livestream? source
    • ALT0 and 1 are similar. They are sourced on Upcomer, which is reliable based on the weak consensus at WP:VG/S, but ALT1 was objected since RoySmith beleived Upcomer isn't good enough for a BLP's medical history. ALT0 omits the medical aspect. Note that a video made by Ahgren confirms the appendectomy and that it was why he postponed the stream, which is complaint with WP:ABOUTSELF. The objection to ALT2 is that it is sourced on ScreenRant which, per WP:RSP, is considered reliable for entertainment-related topics, but should not be used for controversial statements related to living persons. I disagree what it sources (the amount of money he grossed) is controversial, especially since he shared the figure in a video. If a third party checks these hooks and finds that all of the sourcing issues are justified, I will look for new hooks afterwards. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 18:20, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
  • @PerfectSoundWhatever, Onegreatjoke, and Theleekycauldron: Any updates on this? It's been over a month. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: I was under the impression a second reviewer is needed. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
      • yeah, basically sitting pretty for the moment. I don't really have the bandwidth to deal with this at the moment, so a new reviewer for the hooks is probably needed. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 08:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: All four ALTs look good to me; they're all properly sourced and interesting. In my opinion, ALT2 and ALT3 are best; ALT1 and ALT0 are slightly less interesting then the other two. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  • MyCatIsAChonk, did you take into consideration the discussion at WT:DYK mentioned above, which was quite extensive, and went into some sourcing issues? You don't explicitly say so. If not, then please do; otherwise, this will probably get pulled from prep a second time, which would be unfortunate. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:00, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
    • @BlueMoonset: I did ensure to take consideration of the discussion; most of the problems brought up there were addressed above by PerfectSoundWhatever, and the others were no longer relevant or have been fixed within the article. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 00:18, 15 February 2023 (UTC)