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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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Monster Max

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5x expanded by HumanxAnthro (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Monster Max; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - Concision preferred.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great work expanding the article. Sourced, neutral, and free of plagiarism. A couple of issues. First, is there a reason for the unusual notes section in this article? It seems like they could just as well have been cited as a normal reference rather than note. Second, while this article has been greatly expanded, it is about 200 words short of being expanded by 5 times. I think it would also be clearer and more concise to refer to the game by name in the ALT, rather than by euphemism. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24, thanks for the comments! The reason I was not explicit with the name was that I assumed readers would be way more interested in the being-compared-to-Zelda part. 200 words? Wow, that's close. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 20:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Got it. Well, referring to the game euphemistically gives greater attention to Link's Awakening than this game. After all, Monster Max is the star of this DYK. ;) As for the expansion being short by ca. 200 words, I don't think it would be tough to pad this article just a little more in order to reach the threshold. It's not a big deal to me personally, but I don't want this DYK nom to be derailed by another editor on a technicality. Again, great work here overall. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
CurryTime7-24 Honestly, I think this article is as complete as it could be, so you can cancel this nomination. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
I meant "200 characters". I'm very sorry about my mix-up of words. You've added enough since you submitted this DYK to meet the threshold. So all I'm waiting for now is for you to improve the ALT. I'm ready to review and approve once you're set! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Oh, well in that case, let me submit a new ALT.
ALT1 ... that some critics considered Monster Max to be the closest in quality to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening over any other Game Boy game, some even greater than?User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 18:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@CurryTime7-24: status report? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I got this confused with another DYK nom which had been settled. ALT1 is better, but not ideal. It could use a little trimming and rewriting. I have an ALT in mind, but I think that would mean that I'd be disqualified as a reviewer for this... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:32, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
@CurryTime7-24 and HumanxAnthro: I've just stumbled into this review: let me try to propose a new ALT hook, so we can overcome the stall! Oltrepier (talk) 13:37, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Can this be suitable?
ALT2 ... that Game Boy-released game Monster Max was considered by critics to be at least as good as The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening? Oltrepier (talk) 13:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
I am sorry, but this nomination is still going on? What was wrong with the other one again? There is an absolute difference in significance between calling something as good as something else, and calling something the closest in quality to or even better than. What is not concise about the other one? User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 13:46, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
@HumanxAnthro: I thought it would be a synonym, to be honest: that's why I included the term "at least" in my hook... Oltrepier (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Actually... The Zelda game is already considered a classic so.... sure. That ALT is fine, too. Sorry. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 15:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
No worries at all! Oltrepier (talk) 16:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed to review hooks and decide whether this nom is ready. Thank you! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
  • article and hooks meet DYK requirements. Below are the suggested hooks.
ALT0: * ... that a Game Boy-released isometric action-adventure game was called by critics the closest in quality to and even greater than The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening?
ALT1 ... that some critics considered Monster Max to be the closest in quality to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening over any other Game Boy game, some even greater than?
ALT2 ... that Game Boy-released game Monster Max was considered by critics to be at least as good as The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening?
ALT2 is the simplest and most interesting, while being referenced and included in the article (not verbatim). Ready to go FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
I think we have to go with the language in the article "to be the closest in quality to" so I am tweaking ALT2 to reflect.
ALT2a ... that Game Boy-released game Monster Max was considered by critics to be the closest in quality to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening?
Article has been waiting for just shy of three months so promoting now. Bruxton (talk) 18:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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