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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Neil Swallow

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  • ALT0: ... that Neil Swallow was one of the first dentists to specialise in the treatment of people with mental and physical disabilities?
  • ALT1: ... that dentist Neil Swallow often made night calls to make feeding plates for babies born with a cleft palate?

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - ALT0 is not supported. ALT1 is supported.
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - Lack of a question mark at the end of ALT1.

QPQ: No - Pending
Overall: Created 19 Feb 18, nominated same day. >1.5k bytes long, start class. Not on DYK prior. Selected publication section is uncited. Neutral POV. Per Earwig's Copyvio Detector, highest overlap 38.7%. Upon manual inspection, close paraphrasing; despite portions of direct copying, difficult to restate otherwise (e.g. "In 1967 he published his MD thesis on the oral health of people with disability."). The title of the article should represent the subject's name. This should be reflected by the use of the subject's name in the hook as well. Labeled nominator's ALT0 and ALT1. ALT0 is not supported by the text; nowhere is it mentioned that Swallow is "one of the first" to specialize in this area. One source (here) notes that Swallow was "ahead of most British dentists," but does not specify that he was among the "first." ALT1 is supported by that source, from the text, "frequently went out in the middle of the night to make feeding plates for new-born cleft palate children." The remainder of the hook evaluation is for ALT1. The hook is interesting, though ALT1 lacks a question mark. No pictures used. QPQ pending, per nominator. Please address the above issues. Striking ALT0. ―Biochemistry🙴❤ 03:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Biochemistry:
  • Question mark added to the Alt
  • Sources refer to him a Neil or Neil Swallow. See all the refs apart from 1 and 3 which are obituaries when it is conventional to give someone's full name. See also WP:CommonName for why we don't always use the full name.
  • I don't believe it is conventional to reference lists of publications.
  • QPQ to be done shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
qpq done Whispyhistory (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you for fixing ALT1 and explaining the use of the common name. I've edited a sentence in the article to keep the phrasing consistent. QPQ verified (Mullus barbatus), completed by Whispyhistory (article co-creator). I'm not familiar with the convention itself, but I've taken the liberty of fixing the reference list of publications to include a verifiable citation. ALT1 is approved. ―Biochemistry🙴❤ 03:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
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