The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: hi Ktin, this is an interesting expanded article, RiP Priscilla Jana. comments below Mujinga (talk) 13:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
you could add in the photo of her here?
Can you have a look at the image and let me know if it is appropriate to move?
one-line paragraph needs sourcing, i added a tag.
Removed that one-line paragraph since it is already covered in the paragraph above. Thanks for that catch.
it's not a DYK issue but i found the phrase "hanged due to common purpose laws, that made perceived complicity equally punishable as more harsher crimes themself" hard to parse and would recommend rephrasing.
Good call. Done + expanded.
just to check, are you still under the QPQ requirement?
I might start needing one from this one onwards, 3 of my DYKs have been published and 2 are in the prep-queues. Please use this one for my QPQ requirement. Template:Did you know nominations/Bryson Rash
on the hooks, i find ALT0 and ALT1 not particularly intriguing (also ALT1 is over 200 characters), but I think ALT2 is great! the NYT is paywalled, so i'll AGF on the source. so i'm advising drop ALT0 and ALT1, if you want to go further with them the guardian source does back the claims but you'd need to put it on the precise sentences in the article and ALT1 is a bit close to the source with "while his wife Winnie could only see him through a glass door" to "His wife, Winnie, could only see him through a glass panel"
Thanks for this one Mujinga. Lots of nice feedback.I have revised the two blurbs and have them below as ALT1.1 and ALT2.1. We can let the selecting Admin choose one from the below. I think 1.1 will score from a recognition and draw interestingness, while I agree 2.1 is compelling too. I made a minor revision on 2.1 to say "every single political prisoner". Thanks. Ktin (talk) 16:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
ALT0.1:... that South African human-rights lawyer of Indian origin Priscilla Jana was the first woman to hug Nelson Mandela in 13 years when he was imprisoned in Robben Island in 1977?
ALT1.1:... that South African human-rights lawyer of Indian origin Priscilla Jana was the first woman to hug Nelson Mandela in 13 years, at the Robben Island prison in 1977, while his wife Winnie could only see him through a glass panel?
ALT2.1:... that South African human-rights lawyer of Indian origin Priscilla Jana had at one point represented every single political prisoner at Robben Island?
Hi Ktin, thanks for the new hooks. ALT1.1 is still too long, it needs to be under 200 characters, I would suggest taking out the Winnie phrase since it's quite close to the source, you can use the "Character count" link to check it. That may then requite adding the ref to the relevant sentence on the article. ALT2.1 is improved and good to go. Mujinga (talk) 22:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Mujinga: Re-added ALT0.1, have a look at that one? So, we leave the selecting Admin a choice betwee ALT0.1 and ALT2.1? Ktin (talk) 22:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Ktin great, now i just need the citation on the relevant sentence for ALT0.1 and then i can approve ALT0.1 and ALT2.1 (probably for next time it'll be easier just to have ALT0, ALT1, ALT2, ALT3 and so on) Mujinga (talk) 23:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Mujinga:, done. Thanks! Ktin (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
nice one, that's it then, cheers Mujinga (talk) 12:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
On the photo, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Devikarani_Priscilla_Jana.jpg hmm yes the license appears to be good, since the website it is taken from says on its copyright policy page that it either licenses its own pix as creative commons or credits the copyright holder which suggests in the absence of a credit the sahistory is releasing the pic, however the policy also says "We always try to supply owner details and obtain permission from these owners, but in some cases we have not been able to trace some rights owners" so that seems a bit vague. Images are not my specialty, I would say add the pic here if you want and can make a note to get more advice about it. Otherwise there's no need. Mujinga (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Mujinga:. Yup, the editor who helped with the loading of the image is quite a diligent editor, so, I expect all things to be good. But, in the recent past I have been hit by an overzealous editor who sent me down an OTRS rabbit-hole that I am still navigating. So, I am ok to let this pass. Ktin (talk) 22:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
sure understood, the pic isn't superamazing so perhaps it's best to drop it. Mujinga (talk) 23:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Summary for posting-Admin: Please choose between ALT0.1 and ALT2.1 hooks. Either is fine. Ktin (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
now ready for DYK, ALT0.1 and ALT2.1 both approved, using the Guardian and NYT links respectively. Mujinga (talk) 12:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
hi Ktin, this is an interesting expanded article, RiP Priscilla Jana. comments below Mujinga (talk) 13:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
