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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Scipione Piattoli[edit]

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Scipione Piattoli

Created/expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 20:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Length and timeliness checks out: Prose size (text only): 10420 characters (1673 words) "readable prose size" Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 31 edits ago on January 2, 2012. Image used in article and hook had a copyright statement that works. (PD) There are some statements that could be made a bit more neutral but do not appear overly problematic. Sources are all there and are inline.
  • book sources and non-English sources support the text and are free of copyright violations.
  • I have no reason to doubt the hook is accurate, but it isn't clearly found in the text and takes a lot of reading in order to begin to agree with it. An alt hook should be proposed to get around this problem, and should be able to pass if the hook more clearly comes from the text with out having to read and mentally synthesise a lot of text to reach the conclusion in the hook.

--LauraHale (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

    • There is a referenced sentence "Piattoli, as secretary to King Poniatowski and a resident of the Royal Castle in Warsaw, has been credited with having won the King over to the idea of social reforms and with having played a role in the drafting of the Constitution of May 3, 1791" followed by half a para discussing his role in more detail. I am open to alt hooks, if anybody would like to present them, but I believe this one is reliably referenced. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 00:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
      • His role was important but the article also says "The exact nature of Piattoli's role in regard to the Constitution remains uncertain;". It also says " He might have prepared or expanded drafts of the document," I'm not doubting the hook is probably accurate, but it just isn't clear from the text that this is the case. I'm having trouble finding something interesting because not my topic area, so any proposal you could make for an ALT1 that clearly comes from the text and is unambiguous in terms of the sourcing I'd be inclined to support. --LauraHale (talk) 00:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that the figure of the Abbé Morio in Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace was modeled on Scipione Piattoli, one of the drafters of the Polish Constitution of May 3, 1791? — Kpalion(talk) 00:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
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