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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:00, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Thổ Chu Island[edit]

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Created by Fondofgeography (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 05:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Decent article with an interesting hook (I've taken the liberty of clarifying it a little to clarify that the civilians were Vietnamese and that they were abducted). The sources look fine, though assuming good faith as they are all in Vietnamese. Length and date are also good Prioryman (talk) 12:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
  • The hook facts are in the first sentence of a paragraph that doesn't have an inline source until the end of the paragraph. By DYK rules, the first sentence itself must have an inline source citation. As the source for the sentence is in Vietnamese, and Google Translate of it (the only way I can check) doesn't have any indication of the number 500 or mention anything that appears to be a massacre—there is mention of people being killed there on the beach and others put on ships—I think we need stronger sourcing and an identification of which section of text gives the 500 massacred information: this is an extraordinary claim (even though the Khmer Rouge did far worse) that needs to be definitively backed up before it appears on Wikipedia's main page. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that when the Khmer Rouge occupied Thổ Chu Island on May 10, 1975 they destroyed entire villages and abducted about 515 Vietnamese civilians?
  • Found src, fixed article, propose alt hook. Better? ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Better, especially with that source, but I think if that source is used, it might be best to use the quote from it in the article, since it's Hanoi's number. (And, that way the "about" can be dropped, since it is an actually stated number.) My suggestion for an ALT, which would require some rewording in the article if you like it:
  • ALT2 ... that when Thổ Chu Island was invaded by the Khmer Rouge in May 1975, they destroyed entire villages and abducted over 500 of the inhabitants?
Make sure that the hook isn't too close to the wording in the source; it's late and my judgment is not sharp at the moment. Perhaps it should quote the phrase that includes the salient 515 number. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
How about the fiddled ALT2? ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 07:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
It seems a shame to lose the Vietnam connection, but okay. (I've deleted "Island's" as redundant.) However, the article still has "about", which I think is a problem; like I said, a brief quote from the source that includes the 515 number seems to me the best solution, but some change is needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:23, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Nikkimaria. I thought ALT2 might be too close to the original; I've just struck it. Robert, what say you to ALT3? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
  • ALT3 is fine, but I rearranged so the article link appears earlier in the hook. Thx, Nikkimaria :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 02:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Regrettably, on second thought, I can't go with ALT3: the source does not say that it was the villages of the 515 abductees that were destroyed, just lists "destroyed villages" first before noting the abductions. So I've supplied an ALT4 that changes that final "their" to "several" (which can be as few as two and with plural "villages" it has to be at least two), and I've added a comma and the island and changed the initial "the" to "their" for clarity. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:05, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • ALT4: ... that as part of their May 1975 occupation of Thổ Chu Island, the Khmer Rouge kidnapped over 500 islanders and razed several villages?
  • I'll go with 4 ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Need someone other than me or Nikkimaria to approve ALT4. Thanks to any reviewer who can stop by and check. (Have struck ALT3 as problematic.) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm happy with ALT4 - let's go with it. Prioryman (talk) 16:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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