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TPB summaries

We don't need a summary of every trade paperback for the current series (and even if we did, then we'd need one for every of the TPBs in this article). Andromeda mentions that other articles have summaries of their TPBs, but I don't know which ones that would be. I think if we're going to have plot summary it needs to be done for every section, which makes me note that practically every part of this article is publication history. We could definitely benefit from splitting off into separate articles for each series to have both publication history and plot summary. Otherwise I'm just a goddamned idiot, which I'm sure someone thinks I am. KramarDanIkabu 18:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Team Titans

I propose that Team Titans be merged into this article considering it is just a list stub. --waffle iron 06:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sounds good. i'm bored, so i'll do it.--Exvicious 19:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Team Titans

I second that proposal of merger. it would be more coherent.

Starfire

The article says Starfire never returned from space - wasn't she in one of the splash pages of IC #7?TheronJ 13:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was a representation of the events of 52. There were a number of characters on those pages who do not yet exist. --Chris Griswold 18:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Title and Redirect

I think this article should be called the Teen Titans and Titans (comics) should be the redirect. Most of this article refers to a team that was originally, is currently and has usually been called the Teen Titans Rorschach567 16:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Chris Griswold 18:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Section Stubs

The Team Titans, Teen Titans, and The Titans sections all need some more information; rather than just the membership, some details of the storylined would be nice. --Chris Griswold 00:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beast Boy limited series

I didn't read all of this, but Geoof Johns wrote it, and it has Beat Boy forming a new Titans West. I believe it is included in the Beast Boys and Girls trade. I would appreciate it if someone would add information from this storyline to the article. --Chris Griswold 00:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Present Tense

In regard to my use of the literary present tense in this article: Writing in the present when discussing events in a fictional narrative is Wikipedia policy: Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Check your fiction, Works of fiction are generally considered to 'come alive' when read and exist in a kind of perpetual present tense, regardless of when the fictional action is supposed to take place relative to "now". Thus, generally you should write about fiction using the present tense, not the past tense. See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Literary present tense--Chris Griswold 15:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please follow this link Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes to join in on the discussion . --Basique 12:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Un-Hip Language

I know that there is supposed to be a citation for that un-hip language remark, but how do you site every single comic written by that guy. Cause if you read them, you'll understand. User:002KFlash052 0:00, 15 Aug. 2006

Split: New Titans and Teen Titans (current)

i think that this article should be split up for the following reasons:

  • The article is too long. That's not an opinion of how it's written and what is written, it's literally too long for wikipedia's recommended standards.
  • The New (Teen) Titans obviously has enough history and events to warrant a seperate article, which would by default, include the Titans series from the late 90's
  • Likewise, the current Teen Titans has cultivated enough history, due to their importance the Infinite Crisis lead-ups and aftermath.
  • Dan Jurgen's Teen Titans and Team Titans should be treated as the footnotes in comic history that they are and should have their synopsis remain on the main page.

if you agree or don't agree, please state why. -- Semidelicious 19:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think some long-running concepts, such as The (Teen) Titans, which have had many incarnations does need a "History" and a "Current" page (not necessarily in those terms). Something that allows both a concise history and a precise history of the concept.
Where to draw the line for "current" is an issue, of course. "Young Justice"? "Graduation Day"? "OYL"?
So, yeah, I agree.
Duggy 1138 07:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By current, i mean the current series that started in 2003. it's the first one to last more than 30 issues in a couple of years. Semidelicious 04:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I agree, it's just that there are arguements for the others too, so I figured it needed to be noted.
Duggy 1138 04:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree
I agree as well. Let's get to work on it.
Should pages dedicated to specific series be added, and those cover the TPB bit?
Duggy 1138 09:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm gonna start work ensuring the various members are mentioned in the article and removing the various lists. CovenantD 18:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm almost done, but am running into some problems with Team Titans, Teen Titans (1996–1998) and The Titans (1999–2002). Either they need to be fleshed out a bit more or we need to decide to get rid of the pics. Otherwise we're going to end up with a lot of white space. CovenantD 00:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You could place them in a "minor incarnations of the Titans" type of page. Forlong

I'm of two minds about the spliting of the Titans/Teen Titans page. While the article is long the time line is critical for any new readers to understand the history of the series. I've followed the Titans in it's many forms since the 1970s and even I have a hard time keeping track of the different Title and numbering changes.

If the page is split a time line link to the other pages would be recommended. It would assist any new (or even old time) indviduals in tracking the many changes in this series.

If a split was made I'd recommend the older 60s and 70s series being on one page. The newer 1980s Perez/Wolfman series being the start of the next page. A third page would be with the restart of the Titans with the Young Justice crew as a third.

This way only the pre-Young Justice restart of the Titans would continue to grow in size. The other pages would be static in length (escept for adding information about TPBs).

As for the comment of the TPBs being clipped to reduce the page length I would recommend agasint it. The TPBs are the cheapest way to obtain key issues of a series that a reader may have missed and wish to have. Without that information web searches do not always turn up correct issue you wish to purchase.

As much as I've liked seeing the Titans all on one page I think a split might be for the best as the older series could have more detail added to them and then basically be locked down as no new information would be added to those pages.

Just my thoughts.


Maybe the problem isn't the long history of team (well, not completely), but rather, the fact that this article is trying to cover both the real-world history (of the comics) and the history of the team(s). Maybe there doesn't need to be a split, but rather "Teen Titans (Comic Series)", "The Titans (Comic Series)", etc to be created.
Duggy 1138 02:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On cleaning up this article

  • My thoughts:
    • Split New Teen Titans into a new page. It's both notable as a series and a team to deserve its own page.
    • Split Team Titans into a new page. It actually had its own series, and I'm sure it could be filled out some.
    • Rename this article to Teen Titans. It even says so right in the introduction that the Titans was just a short lived name for the team. The current series is also called Teen Titans, and not Titans.
    • Remove the small sections of membership, since that is what we have List of Titans members for.
    • Start introducing title boxes for the seperate series.
    • Remove the story info from the TPB table and add ISBN#'s, creator credits, page numbers etc. just like on the Justice League/Justice Society of America page.
  • I'd do all of this myself, but an undertaking of this kind of thing really requires a collaborative effort as opposed to just a solo action. Thing is, though, clean-up is sorely needed. It will have to be done eventually, one way or the other. Kusonaga 09:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Time for an actual vote

Now, with the actions of Duggy, I think it's time that we actually vote on what happens with this article. We'll be voting on the following:

  1. Splitting the New Teen Titans into its own article
  2. Splitting the Team Titans into its own article
  3. Splitting the page into two pages, one dedicated to the series, the other to the team
  4. Renaming the article to Teen Titans

Kusonaga 08:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. Is the New Teen Titans the current team or the team from series of the same name?
2. Can this be done without it being more than a snub?
3. Who said anything about spliting?
4. "Teen" is covers more of the individual groups and is current, but Teen-less incorporates all groups, not just the groups called Teen Titans.

Duggy 1138 10:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. No, it's the Wolfman series. I filed what you wanted to do under the third matter to be voted on. That could've been more clear.
2. Yes, it can be. It can provide a summary of what the Team Titans did in their title, what the title was about etc. Also stubs aren't neccesarily bad. Just because that needs to be done doesn't mean we shouldn't split it. I am however, perfectly okay with it not wanting to split the pages.
3. Well, it's rather obvious from the fact that you just made a new page titled Teen Titans (comic series).
4. And what is current is what we should go for. Besides that, one group of Titans sprung forth from the New Teen Titans (which would then of course move with the NTT if a new page is made for them) and the other was the only series that started the team out as the Titans. It's like Batman and the Outsiders. We call the page the Outsiders, even though two of the three series have held different names.

Kusonaga 10:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3 (only) I don't see it as splitting or I would have none a whole lot more trimming from the main article. More creating a parallel page. Duggy 1138 13:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that page, essentially, be useless, if there is no (or little) actual difference in content? Kusonaga 14:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Initially, yes, but as the page develops... writer, artist information, etc is added and the page grows a personality of its own, separate from that of the parent. Duggy 1138 14:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Votes

  • Hope this helps : ) - jc37 12:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • 1.) I don't think it's a good idea to split any of the Teen Titans teams. So far except for Team Titans, they're all from the original 3 (or 4/5) + The "new" Teen Titans (Raven, Cyborg, Starfire, Changeling/Beast Boy).
    • 2.) Yes, Team Titans is a wholly different team, though it should be noted in both articles mentioned below.
    • 3.) That's a good idea - splitting the characters/team from the media (comics and animation).
    • 4.) The media article would be The Teen Titans, adding (publication) if necessary. (Teen was only dropped once, and for a short period of time.) The character/team article should be The Titans adding (comics) if necessary. (See WP:NCC.)
  • Throwing in my 2¢ — J Greb 15:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • 1. No. I agree with Jc37, the team/concept history streaches from the first appearance through to the present. If the article is going to deal with that content, it should deal with all of it.
    • 2. Yes.
    • 3. Yes, provisionally. I'm a little leery that this might cause problems with the content article. I'd also be tempted to split the media article into 4 or 5 parts.
    • 4. No. It seems to be an unnecessary change.
  • Lesfer (t/c/@) 18:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • 1. No . I don't see a reason for splitting any of the Titans teams, except for Team Titans.
    • 2. Yes. Different team. Just like the "Titans Tomorrow" team.
    • 3. No.
    • 4. No. Can't see why.

I agree. No to all. Mikemoral 03:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

On the New Teen Titans split: We did it for Justice League International as well over in the Justice League article. A split will allow this page not to get too big while also allowing an even more in-depth article on what is largely considered the best Teen Titans run. Kusonaga 16:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at those two articles, and Justice League Europe, points up a problem or two.
Both the JLI and JLE articles appear to have been set up to address the comic book (media - publishing history, creative staff, sales, etc) side, where the JLA article was started to deal with the story details of the team (plot points, membership, guest character, retcons, etc).
I think that approach is worthwhile. However, it appears that the articles "migrated" a bit from intent, resulting in media information taking a large place on JLA and story detail doing the same on JLI and JLE.
For me, it makes sense that, for the JLA, there be 7 separate articles and one list:
  • Justice League of America covering the entirety of the story elements with very limited media information.
  • Justice League of America (vol. 1) covering the publishing history of the first comic book series.
  • Justice League (comics) covering the publishing history of the comic book series launched from Legends. This would also cover the title changes to Justice League International and Justice League America and the appropriate annuals and specials.
  • Justice League Europe covering the publishing history of the major spin-off series, including the title change to Justice League International vol. 2 and the appropriate annuals.
  • JLA covering the publication history of that comic book series as well as related annuals, specials, and limited series projects.
  • Justice League of America (vol. 2) covering the publishing history of the current series.
  • Justice League (animated) covering the history of the animated TV show. I would also include the publishing history of the tie-in comic book here.
  • List of Justice League members
There are a few other series that could be argued as needing to be in that list, but it puts forth my premise.
For the Teen Titans, I would see 8 articles and a list:
  • Teen Titans (comics) or Titans (comics) covering the entirety of the story elements with very limited media information.
  • Teen Titans (vol. 1) covering the publishing history of the first comic book series.
  • New Teen Titans (vol. 1) covering the publishing history of the comic book series launched by Wolfman and Perez. This would also cover the title change to Tales of the Teen Titans and the appropriate annuals and specials.
  • New Teen Titans (vol. 2) covering the publishing history of the second series, including the title change to The New Titans and the appropriate annuals and specials.
  • Teen Titans (vol. 2) covering the publication history of the Dan Jurgans comic book series as well as specials and limited series projects.
  • Titans (comics) covering the publishing history of that series, including appropriate specials and limited series projects.
  • Teen Titans (vol. 3) covering the publishing history of the current series, including appropriate specials and limited series projects.
  • Teen Titans (animated) covering the history of the animated TV show. I would also include the publishing history of the tie-in comic book here.
  • List of Teen Titans / Titans members

J Greb 17:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands now, there is the beginnings of a Teen Titans (comic serie) page which only refers to the three series with that name. In the future, I think that if it takes, a "New Teen Titans (comic series)" covering both volumes and a "Titans (comic series)" page. If any of those three pages gets to unwieldly, then split them, but I don't think spliting immediately is the answer.
Duggy 1138 00:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That works for me, especially since I'm not sure if some of the various series have enough to warrant anything beyond a "Start" class article. — J Greb 01:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I see it there are Teen Titans (3 series covered), The Titans (One series covered), and The New Titans (Tales of the New Titans) two series covered). There's also Teen Titans Go! but I'd put that on the Teen Titans Animation page if one comes about and if it needs to be mentioned at all. Have I missed a series?
Duggy 1138 02:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think the split into 8 pages is a little overboard, and redundant in the long run. I think splits should only occur when they are necessary (as it was with the Justice League, and I completely agree with you on the Justice League/JLI/Justice League America thing. Think you can proposition such a thing on the Justice League talk page?). In this case, I think the New Teen Titans deserve a lot more than what they have, and the same goes for the other titles, so logically, the section which will probably fit the biggest page should be split. That's the way I see it, although I'm slowly coming around to some of the views you guys have.
I'm still a little unclear on what exactly you would intend to make the difference between this article and Teen Titans (series)? Would one only delve into the fictional history and the other into publication history? Is that the plan?
Kusonaga 12:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Like many other pages dedicated to a comic series over the specific character/team. However, "Teen Titans", "The Titans" and "The New Teen Titans" is 3 pages, not 8. - Duggy 1138 15:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Duggy, I believe he's looking at the list I put up, not the comment you made in response. — J Greb 15:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Titans vs. Teen Titans

Why is this page called Titans? It mentions they were briefly called the Titans in the lead paragraph, so why is that the name chosen. If we used "Teen Titans" it wouldn't have to have (comics) or anything after it. - Peregrinefisher 19:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was part of the recent vote. The thinking, I think, is that both (Teen Titans) and (Titans) are covered by (Titans), whereas (Titans) isn't covered by (Teen Titans).
I mostly agree, but I don't mind if it changes.
Duggy 1138 00:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well I guess if everyone likes it this way, OK. It just leads to these weird sentences where on the Titans (comics) page the first thing it says is "The Teen Titans, briefly known as simply The Titans" and on the Titan page it says "Titans (comics), more commonly Teen Titans, a group of DC Comics superheroes." Basically, evertime it has to be explained why the page isn't called what you'd think it was called. - Peregrinefisher 03:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But they were originally the Teen Titans, they currently are the Teen Titans. I don't think the whole article should be named after a title they only briefly took rather than what they are most commonly and officially known as. The Official name should come above everything else. (DavetheAvatar 02:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I agree, I agree, I agree. The current article title makes no sense. To quote WP:COMMONNAME, "Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things." 'Teen Titans':

  1. Is the most common name of the subject of the article.
  2. Is the original name of the subject of the article.
  3. Is the current name of the subject of the article.
  4. Does not conflict with the names of other people or things, unlike 'Titans'.

Keeping the title at 'Titans' because it is "more inclusive" would be like moving 'Christmas tree' to 'holiday tree'. As such, I'm adding the page to WP:RM.

comics template

Do we really need those comicbook templates for the Teen Titans and New Teen Titans series? --DrBat 18:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If we're trying to be as accurate as possible, yes. Kusonaga 19:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Titans (comics)Teen Titans — Per WP:COMMONNAME. 'Teen Titans' is by far the best-known, most-searched, and commonly-used name of the subject of the article. Even the article itself refers to its subject far more often as 'Teen Titans'. ryand 16:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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The result of the debate was merge Patstuarttalk|edits 21:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Add  * '''Support'''  or  * '''Oppose'''  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

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Duela Dent

For the time being I'm gonna take her off the roster, just because it's very possible Raven is just trying to trick her for a momentary advantage. If she stays on the team after the Titans East arc, let's add her back. Darquis 01:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it back. There's been no sign that Raven wasn't sincere about letting her join.--Marhawkman 13:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
She left after the Titans East arc, so I pulled her again. Darquis 21:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup?

Since there was no explanation given, I took off the cleanup tag for now. If anyone wants to say what specifically needs done, feel free, but a non-explained tag isn't going to get us anywhere, IMO. Darquis 01:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move article?

I suggest this article be moved to Teen Titans and the disambiguation page be moved to Teen Titans (disambiguation). I feel that it's far more likely for someone to be searching for this article than the video game or the movie. A case could be made for the TV show, but I believe the ongoing nature and long running history of the book trumps the five years the show was on the air. Darquis 01:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. --Chris Griswold () 03:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Presuming that the disambiguation link will be at the top of the page (as is typical), I agree as well. - jc37 09:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since there wasn't any objection after a week, I'm gonna go ahead and do this now Darquis 09:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'm late to the party, but I'm going to add my opinion anyway. There should not be Teen Titans (comics). The history of the characters should be the main article, not a disambiguation page.

"Teen Titans could very easily be about the popular cartoon or the team itself"

Yeah, but the same can be said about other properties. Batman for example, doesn't have a disambiguation to:

  • Batman (TV series)
  • Batman (1989 film)
  • Batman: The Animated Series
  • The Batman (animated series)
  • Batman (comic book)

All of these could reasonable be expected when you type in "Batman." If you want another similar example, what about Justice League, Superman, X-Men etc. Or Legion of Super-Heroes. They have a current series out (unlike the canceled Teen Titans) and yet they don't have Legion of Super-Heroes (comics). --68.79.57.76 22:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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Teen Titans (comics)Teen Titans — I don't support this move, starting a discussion since Darquis requested it. TJ Spyke 04:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

  1. Strong Agree The cartoon is over, and isn't coming back. The book has existed for years, and has an ongoing series, and is at least as popular as the cartoon, if not moreso. Darquis 20:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong AgreeThe video games, movies, tv shows, toys, costumes, party plates, all are based off of the comic series. The comic series is the most consistant and primary usage.Theplanetsaturn 09:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey - in opposition to the move

  1. Strong Oppose Teen Titans could very easily be about the popular cartoon or the team itself. I think the move done by Darquis (moving "Teen Titans" to "Teen Titans (disambiguation" and then redirecting "Teen Titans" to this page) should be undone. "Teen Titans" should be the disambiguation page. TJ Spyke 04:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong, Strong Oppose. As previously stated, the comic is both not the only usage, and is not by and large the most common usage. Teen Titans was a significant show on Cartoon Network, and lack of popularity was certainly not a factor in its cancellation. It spawned video games, movies, comic books, toys, costumes, party plates, etc. Really, the nom. treats the cartoon as if it's some rare and obscure alternative usage, when in reality it was a huge, huge show that made a lot of people a lot of money, is arguably more popular in the mainstream than the comic book, and is still popular even in reruns. - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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In case they don't vote again, someone should count the votes from the previous poll that was up for a full week. Darquis 20:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that the cartoon is treated as some obscure alternate, on the talk page I said that the ongoing nature of the comic, the comic's decades of history and the cancellation of the cartoon were the reasons; I figured with the request not being in the controversial section, someone would come to the talk page and see the more detailed discussion, where there was no controversy. Darquis 16:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The cancellation of the cartoon, age of the comic, and longevity of the comic have absolutely nothing to do with notability or notoriety or popularity. Like I just said, Teen Titans is far more popular in the mainstream than the comic is, even while cancelled. It has presence in "The Batman" as well. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It has not been demonstrated that the comic book series is the primary meaning of the term Teen Titans. It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. As a corollary, Teen Titans (disambiguation) will be moved to fill the gap at Teen Titans. We do not count opinions from previous discussions, because consensus can change, and in this case the two requests are not comparable anyway. --Stemonitis 11:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Membership - Blue Beetle

  • We really should not add Blue Beetle (or Supergirl) for that matter as Titans members until/if they actualy join the team. Issue #50 is not out yet and all we have is speculation from the fan press. McKeever's Newsarama interview does seem to state that Supergirl is going to join, but my reading of it is that Beetle is just a guest star in the issue not a member.. We really should wait till the issue comes out to find out. Spanneraol 00:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • fair enough. Teen Titan 17 August 2007

Actually, Blue Beetle is shown in promotional art for issues 52 and 53. So maybe it should be put in. Andraxx 22:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Movie

I'd like to point out that the link for the cite on a Teen Titans movie no longer works. 76.14.29.174 03:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Beetle Pic

Hey, the current main pic for the page is awesome, but since it does feature the blue beetle I think he should be included in the roster.Supergrimm (talk) 22:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Supergrimm[reply]

He should not be included on the roster until he actually joins the team. As of the latest issue, he is still "just visiting." Spanneraol (talk) 00:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Annoying, but until he officially joins.....--Marhawkman (talk) 17:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]