User talk:71.38.163.164

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- FlightTime (open channel) 20:09, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018

Your recent editing history at Family Ties shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. SQGibbon (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

Family Ties

I have responded to your message at the page for Family Ties. A lot of edits happen on Wikipedia every day and my "job" (as it were) is to patrol new edits and make sure they are in line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. If I feel an edit is in violation then I revert it and leave a message in the summary. Depending on the circumstances and how much time I have, I do also try to leave some kind of message on the editor's talk page. I didn't leave a message for you the first time. The second time I left a warning that you were in danger of engaging in an "edit war" which is actually serious business on Wikipedia.

You have now reached out for help on the Talk page of the article as well as messaged me directly. Either of these are good. On the Talk page you will notice that two other editors have agreed with my position. I also took a little time to provide further explanation for my actions. I know that Wikipedia can be a very complicated place and it does have its own jargon so figuring out what we all mean can be challenging. If you have any more questions or comments about the Family Ties article then please bring those up on that Talk page. If you have any more questions or comments about how Wikipedia works in general then contact me through my talk page as you just did. SQGibbon (talk) 23:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

You jumped into editing Wikipedia head first without first trying to understand the community and its norms. You made an edit that ran afoul of several policies and/or guidelines. None of this makes you a bad person nor does it make Wikipedia a bad place. It's entirely possible that with a little effort much of what you wrote could be salvaged.

There is a grey area here which has to do with the plot sections of these articles. We do not require citations for them as it is expected that they are written in such a way that any viewer can verify the plot by watching the show. But when it comes to inferring intent on the part of the show's writers/creators/etc, this gets less grey. Much of what you wrote in your edit makes sense and seems likely to be the case but has crossed that line into needing actual citations as it speaks to the intentions of the people involved with the show. That's just how Wikipedia operates. In spite of common misperceptions, we do have standards and we do want to create the most important and reliable source of information that has ever existed. In order to do this we have to have and maintain these standards.

And yes, there are other problems within that section of the article as well as throughout the entirety of Wikipedia. This doesn't mean we should let your edits slide -- that just adds to the problems. Instead, hopefully, someone will take the time to clean up the rest of that section.

Another problem we run into in cases like this is where content is more appropriate for fan sites like one might find on Wikia, where trivia is welcomed. Wikipedia has a lot of trivia but we do try to minimize it and provide actual context. Like why do these references to Family Ties show up in Psych. That is the kind of content we want on Wikipedia. Plenty of other things do slip through but that's not what we are striving for.

Anyway, we all appreciate your efforts and hope you take the time to learn the ins-and-outs of Wikipedia and come back and become a valued editor. We have all run into problems during editing that make no sense to us. It's just part of the process. SQGibbon (talk) 14:12, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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