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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Magdalene College Dining Hall, Cambridge, UK - Diliff.jpg[edit]

I've edited out the lens flares. See if you think it's good enough. I have a PNG version so can go back if I miss anything. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Wikibomb list subjects[edit]

How did you create this list? it would help to know as we might be able to discern some notability characteristics from its source.

I have been looking at Google hits using the search string 'site:adb.anu.edu.au AND ("sydney university" OR "university of sydney") AND female' which gives 109 results... and because it is limited to ADB they will likely be notable......

Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:17, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

They are from the alumni office and are mostly winners of awards (OAM / AO /AM / etc). I have a few extra details on each like what degree they did and what year. Having looked at a few of them, many will be difficult to write about with limited sources. So your ADB list would also be useful - can you add it to the bottom of the page (with a column for users to sign up to their choice)? I think the organisers were hoping to concentrate on living subjects, but at this stage let's just use a broad net. --99of9 (talk) 03:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I have added a couple into the list.... possibly they should be in a separate table???? Feel free to revert my adds and do a separate table with names taken from ADB.... I have not found a good way to dump the list from Google. I'm busy till Monday afternoon so will wait for your decision, Regards, Ariconte (talk) 07:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I've made an addition to the main WB page, in response to what happened after the previous Wikibomb (and reiterate that I don't really think bomb is an appropriate name, but that's irrelevant). Everyone must be really clear that a link to a faculty website and a list of publications may not be seen by all as significant coverage in independent reliable sources, as required by WP:GNG. I, personally, don't really understand the intricacies of WP:PROF, but try to err on the side of more references are needed than fewer. The ADB refs are great - they definitely count. But we don't want articles being up for PROD, BLPPROD or AFD in the coming weeks. Good luck! The-Pope (talk) 04:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks - happy to include that. My suspicion is that most articles will be about famous graduates rather than faculty, but we shall see. I'm going to swat up on WP:PROF before the event :). --99of9 (talk) 04:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I like to stick to sportspeople , with the occasional dabble in actors, music and politicians; where the notability rules are just so much clearer in most cases. Academic notability is so subjective. Last time round, the Wikibomb did some pretty good work, but a few articles on borderline notable professors were created, with little or no referencing. If it is going to be a partially guided event, then referencing must be emphasised as being essential, not just a nice to have. All the

best, The-Pope (talk) 12:04, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Usyd wiki project[edit]

Thanks for the May Hollinworth photo. Looking forward to the research.Readlib (talk) 12:02, 27 October 2014 (UTC)readlib(talk)

Hi 99of9, could you clarify where on the sample userpage I find "edit source" to copy into the source of my userpage. I'm missing something, ie I can find edit,but do you mean select edit, and then copy the source, rather than 'edit source"? Many thanks Readlib (talk) 02:20, 28 October 2014 (UTC) Readlib(talk)
@Readlib: Your interface must look different to mine. Try the procedure you've mentioned and see if it works. --99of9 (talk) 02:30, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Done, Could you take a look at my user page? -- Readlib (talk) 03:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
@Readlib: looks good! --03:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome- looking forward to participating in this event! Spottedpufferfish (talk) 00:25, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually, would it be possible for you to help me to upload an image of my notable woman? I don't have a confirmed account, so I can't upload it myself, until I've made enough edits. I've checked whether the image is out of copyright, and it appears to be, because it was a photograph taken before 1955. The image is located here or here on p.56. Thanks so much! Spottedpufferfish (talk) 05:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Yep, I can do that. Thanks for the copyright check. --99of9 (talk) 06:16, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
@Spottedpufferfish: done. It's in your sandbox. --99of9 (talk) 06:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Spottedpufferfish (talk) 23:26, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for all your diligence and organisation yesterday. One newbie has gone on to contribute to Florfenicol and I notice that at the bottom of the "Antibacterials" box is a random "SprayberrySprayberrySprayberry" which I think is some sort of error introduced (by some earlier person) into a template. Is it an error and if so is it possible to remove it? Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I removed it as it looked like vandalisam.... Ariconte (talk) 01:01, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

--Jacqui Matthews987 (talk) 05:13, 3 November 2014 (UTC)I thought I still had my article on Susie O'Reilly in my Sandbox, because I hadn't finished putting it together on friday, but when I went to polish up today it had been tidied up, edited and posted? Is this normal? Or must I have clicked something by accident?

@Jacqui Matthews987: It looks like one of our Wikipedian helpers reviewed it and thought it was ready to go live. Congrats. Completely normal, but sorry for the surprise! It may get argued about and copy edited, so if there's anything you want to chip in, go for it. I'll try to find a better picture, because it seems the previous one has been deleted for some reason. --99of9 (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
OK that's fine - I was just confused...Jacqui Matthews987 (talk) 06:50, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

ROBYN OVERALL[edit]

This article was speedy deleted.... see: User_talk:Vjcwade. I don't remember the article so can't opine on its quality - only saw the speedy because I had the user page on my watchlist.

This is a fallacy of using the category to track the articles created - because the cat disappears with the article. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 17:23, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Hang on, will take a look. Undelteted now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Ariconte (talk) 20:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I've also tried to watchlist all of them, but I expected to have at least 24 hours between any nomination and deletion! Maybe this should go back into userspace for protection? Draft is apparently too risky. Thanks for getting it back Cas. --99of9 (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Why move Wikibomb cat to talk so soon?[edit]

Seeing as the Wikibomb cat was hidden anyway, why move it to the talk page so soon? It probably make sense to do so at some stage (perhaps a week or a month later), but while the articles are newly subject to the review of the wider Wikipedia community, things like the Related Changes were still usefull. (Luckily we still have the Meetup Related Changes.) Don't change them back now, of course, just noting for future Wikibombs. Mark Hurd (talk) 09:45, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

@Markhurd: Well, I agree with you, but someone came complaining to Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#HELP.21, citing technical categorization policy and threatening deletion. Feel free to speak up over there. --99of9 (talk) 09:50, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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Precious again[edit]

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Three years ago, you were recipient no. 697 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy Christmas![edit]

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Happy Christmas 2014
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Thanks for Thanks[edit]

99of9 I really appreciate your thanks for a very simple addition. Wikipedia is largely a thankless task and so you made a real difference to my day. Castlemate (talk) 23:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC) Scott

@Castlemate: You're welcome. Thanking is so easy I should try to do it more often. If you're interested in a bit more human interaction, you might want to add your username to Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney/Invite. --99of9 (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
That sounds way to scary! I'm too shy to even create a user page after about eight years of editing. Castlemate (talk) 00:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
@Castlemate: All it means is that three or four times a year I will come by your talk page to invite you to an event. You can turn them all down if you like! --99of9 (talk) 00:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't being too serious. Can you help me sort out the "alma mater" problem in info boxes? For that reason I should come along to a Meetup. The USyd Wikibomb day looks amazing. I'd like to see a few of those days created for Australian architects and for Old Newingtonians. Castlemate (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you briefly explain what the alma mater problem is? I don't edit infoboxes very often. --99of9 (talk) 01:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Mike Baird is a good example. Instead of Education the info box has Alma mater. Some say that is only your tertiary institution. I dispute that but more importantly most people who have been Premier of NSW haven't been educated beyond high school. All info boxes should list Education and whatever levels are known should be listed: primary, secondary and tertiary. Some sporting info boxes (particularly North American) have College team ...blah blah blah! Do you get what I mean? Castlemate (talk) 10:35, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Would like a new user name[edit]

Hi, I saw that you are a renamer. Would like to change my name to A21sauce if that's still available, to further anonymize myself. thanksAichik (talk) 23:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I see this is already done. --99of9 (talk) 12:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Change user name[edit]

Hi, I am here for a new username. I gave one of my recognized nickname "smartjkm" which I would like to change. Would appreciate a lot if it can be changed to smartuserblack. thanks. User:smartjkm (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Smartuserblack: @Smartjkm: Done... I think. This was my first global rename, so let me know if anything seems wrong. --99of9 (talk) 12:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi thanks seems right... :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartuserblack (talkcontribs) 13:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for the encouragement, awesome user page! Harryp2 (talk) 04:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Harryp2: Cheers. I was impressed that you've had a wiki account so long before they got you editing. Now that you've started you'll never go back. --99of9 (talk) 05:02, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Check something for me?[edit]

Would you mind going back to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:99of9/sandbox3&oldid=645853719&veaction=edit if you have a moment? I think this is fixed, but I want to make sure that it works for you. Feel free to {{ping}} me or drop a note on my talk page—whatever's easiest. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:07, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: yes it works fine now, thanks for closing the phab report. --99of9 (talk) 00:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. One bug down, always more to go.  ;-)
By the way, Citoid will probably arrive here on Monday afternoon (PDT; about 20 hours from now). The decision will depend mostly on the reports from French and Italian Wikipedia. If any new problems have popped up, then it'll stay frozen at the two-wiki mark. But my e-mail inbox isn't on fire, so I'm assuming that all's well there. There were some unexpected doi-related problems last week, but I believe that patch has already reached production. We'll see—and do please let me know if you try it out and have any thoughts on it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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@Crisco 1492: Thanks, I've made an edit you're welcome to check. --99of9 (talk) 00:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Would like a new user name[edit]

Hi, I notice that you are a renamer. Would like to change my name to RenewableEnergy1 if that's still available, to avoid any misunderstandings and avoid being accused of act of impersonation. Thanks a lot in advance! Meisam tab (talk) 18:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi User:Meisam tab. The best place to request this is at m:Special:GlobalRenameRequest. --99of9 (talk) 22:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Hans Freeman[edit]

Since you are connected to USyd chemistry, could you find out if there is a photo of the late Prof. Freeman which could be used in the infobox? Thanks. EdChem (talk) 15:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi User:EdChem sure thing, I'll check it out. Wow, nice work on the article! --99of9 (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
A quick update User:EdChem: we don't know the provenance of the usual one we use (prob university-hired professional), and I haven't found anyone who personally took one, but a friend of the family is going to contact them. --99of9 (talk) 00:28, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. I wonder if Mitchell Guss might have a suitable photo with a WP-compatible license, he is a co-author of all of Hans' most cited publications and they evidently collaborated over a long period. Cheers, EdChem (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

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Sydney Meetup next Thursday evening[edit]

You are invited to the Sydney Meetup!

  • Thursday 15 September at 6PM at Petersham Bowling Club.
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Hey, was great to catch up. This time I will not wait 5 years until I come to a meet up again! Mme Mim (talk) 20:21, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
@Mme Mim: Yes, you too. I loved finding out about your ultrasound images on Commons - I think this kind of specialist contribution is really important. --99of9 (talk) 00:42, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

H i99of9, do you happen to know who in the wide world of Wikipedia has any interest in the book creator/pdf file generator? The help pages I found were a bit concerning, saying something about no resources available... (really???) however, I am trying to find someone who could look into why rendering Trujillo, Peru always ends up with an error code. I can sense someone smart would look at the article and say that table abc is the cause of all troubles? I know this is a topic far away from your interests, but I hope you know the community a bit better than I. Thanks! Mme Mim (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk page stalker (WP:TPS) here! See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and put PDF in the search box to get a feel for the extent of the issues. Make a Phabricator account for yourself (use your Wikipedia user name) and add yourself to the subscriber list as you wish. Lobby for tickets to get action! Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:34, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
hah, I knew it's worth asking here!  ;) Ican't say that I understand the whole Phabricator thing, but Iopened a ticket there... Thanks a lot for pointing me into another unknown part of the Wikiverse. Mme Mim (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The Tree[edit]

The Jacaranda is up! Cheers, Whiteghost.ink (talk) 05:45, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Haha well done. --99of9 (talk) 06:16, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Mix'n'Max[edit]

What do I do when it offers me something that I know has a Wikipedia article but is NOT one of the many suggestions it makes? What do I do when it offers me something that I know has NO Wikipedia article. Is that a "Not Applicable?" Kerry (talk) 05:28, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: When there is a wikipedia article (or any other wikidata item) then press "set Q" and paste in the wikidata page number e.g. "Q4865984". You can get this from the wikipedia page by clicking on the "Wikidata item" link in your tools menu. When there is NO wikipedia article or existing wikidata item, then choose "new item", and you will be creating a wikidata item for that locality. Only if it's a really bad area like "other territories" would you choose N/A. Finally, limiting to Queensland is not possible in game mode, but the list of unmatched items is already sorted according to states, and Queensland currently starts part way down page 50. Have fun! --99of9 (talk) 05:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Ah, then I have probably created a number of N/As then that I should not have. The other question is what do I do if we have a Wikipedia article of that name, say it's an article about the mountain/creek/island as a geographical feature with some kind of geographical info box rather than as a corresponding locality article which uses the infobox Australian place (assuming that they are the "same" place from a geocoord perspective)? Is that OK to point to the geo article (given it isn't expecting anyone to insert population data in it)? Kerry (talk) 06:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I have removed my Not Applicable ones. It's too hard to use in non-game mode (not enough data showing), so I will stick to Game mode. Kerry (talk) 06:22, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@Kerry Raymond: Great. When I use non-game mode I keep a separate search tab open in both wikipedia and wikidata. But I agree that game mode is easier. The geographic feature thing is interesting, and one I'm not totally sure about. There is a way of tracking these down later. I'd suggest creating a new item when it would be weird to write the population into the article, but assigning it whenever you could tack on "a community lives there" in the wiki article. It would be hard to add this for a river or lake, but would be easy for a mountain or island. Comments on this @Canley: @Mattinbgn:? --99of9 (talk) 06:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
If the geofeature is small enough to more-or-less fit into the locality, we usually combine the articles and cover both the geo and settlement aspects, which works for small lakes, small island and mountains usually. Although people who are interest in geo, only write the geo "half" of the article and ditto those interested in human settlement (like me) tend only to write the locality half.But rivers are generally much longer and flow through the locality that takes their name but also flow through other places, so we generally do two articles, e.g. Foo River (Queensland) and Foo River, Queensland. So maybe that is the rule of thumb, point to the geo article if the locality article could feasibly "share it" or do a New Item if the locality article would have to separate? Kerry (talk) 06:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@Kerry Raymond: Yes, that seems about right to me. Another I've seen that would be hard to fit into a locality is "mountain range". --99of9 (talk) 06:55, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, they are usually a larger geo feature than can be squeezed into a locality. As are larger islands, etc. Kerry (talk) 07:07, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I think the only non-locality subclass items I have matched have been national parks with residents and very few of those. Most of the Something River or Mount Something names have had an article or item for the locality aside from the geographic feature, I have created a few new ones though. --Canley (talk) 05:45, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

With MixnMatch, when I click on Australian SSCs, I get what appears to be a progress indicator. Last night I set myself the goal of not stopping until it passes 40% matched. Eventually in my late night befuddled state, I realised that I could never achieve this goal as the progress page doesn't actually update. It remains stuck tantalisingly at 39.9% because it seems the number of articles Matched is not changing. Am I doing something very wrong? Kerry (talk) 02:15, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: You're seeing a cached copy. Refresh the page and you'll see we're now at 45.8%! Nice work. --99of9 (talk) 02:17, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Seems to be not working. The tools server is up but I cannot load the Australian SSCs. Any ideas? 00:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Magnus Manske: there appears to be a problem loading all MixNMatch catalogues. For example see #479 Australian SSCs. --99of9 (talk) 00:41, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
@Kerry Raymond: @Magnus Manske: it looks back in action. --99of9 (talk) 10:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I see to have read-only access to it. This is presumably because I don't see my name at the top of the screen so I presume this means I am not logged in, but I cannot find a way to login. When I started using it the other day, it prompted me for an OAUTH and everything then worked. Any clues on how to get myself logged in again? Kerry (talk) 21:37, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
My gosh, without being logged-in, I can do one thing and that's remove?! (Sorry, I just removed Lismore but I cannot restore it!) Kerry (talk) 21:45, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
@Kerry Raymond: yes it sounds like you've lost your oauth session. For me I'm always prompted, so maybe clear your cookies. There may be other options at [1]. -99of9 (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I figured it was the cookies as a possibility. I had done everything you do when "weird shit" happens (OS updates, browser updates, cache including cookies cleared, reboot). Nothing worked. Now an hour or so later and several suburbs away from home, having done nothing else at all, it magically worked, prompting me for the OAuth. Buggered if I know. But I least I now have restored Lismore (incredible that I could remove without login, surely a bug rather than a feature?!). I hope to finish all Qld today (famous last words) - I had hoped to finish yesterday but couldn't get access. Kerry (talk) 23:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I have done all of the Qld ones, except for these which are here in the unmatched list but when I try to set them as "New Item", all give this error "Item Q31015696 already has label "Maaroom" associated with language code en, using the same description text. Now, I believe I have set all of these previously, so this does not surprise me, but I don't know why they are still in the unmatched list. Anyhow, I shall now work on some of the other states. After this is done, what's the next step? Kerry (talk) 05:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond:@Canley:@Mattinbgn: Wow, nice work. Instead of setting new item, just press set Q and paste in the item you already made. I'm also not sure why it's still showing up on your unmatched list. Perhaps there were duplicates in the original list, or it didn't register properly within MixNMatch when you pressed new item last time (i.e. it created the item, but forgot to update its match list). The next step is to do a bit of checking before we do any bulk actions which rely on the data we've just matched. You might have noticed I reverted a few of your edits like this. I found them using wikidata:Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P4014, just scanning down to see any items which had two SSCs associated with the same item. I think I got most of them today, but tomorrow more may pop up. The other place to look for problems is these categories: category:Australian Statistical Geography Standard 2011 ID different from Wikidata and category:Australian_Statistical_Geography_Standard_2011_ID_not_in_Wikidata. They should be getting emptier as we add codes that editors have already used on those pages, but if we don't eventually match their codes, there is something to investigate. One issue here is that the categories don't automatically update (sometimes until someone edits the page in the category) - if you need to test this, you may need to visit the pages themselves, and perhaps even perform a null edit. After that... we can get new ASGS tables with their mappings from 2011 to 2016, do a bit of spreadsheet work, and submit property values for wikidata:Property:P4093 using a tab separated list in QuickStatements. Or at least that's how I imagine things going! I'm sure there will be issues along the road. --99of9 (talk) 05:21, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
We should probably have had a chat about a common approach, but as far as I can see we pretty much ended up doing the same things anyway. @Kerry Raymond: I only used the N/A tag in Mix'n'Match for Special Purpose Codes like "Migratory - Offshore - Shipping" and "No usual address" where there is never going to be a Wikidata item for them. In some cases where there is data in the state gazetteers I've created a new item, but that's pretty slow going. I suppose you've all seen the ghastly duplicates from the bot-generated Swedish/Cebuano Geonames imports—merging them is something I'd like to tackle in future but I've been ignoring them unless they are the only corresponding item. --Canley (talk) 05:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
To merge the ceb ones, this query might help. It counts all Australian uses of particular geonames IDs. If there are two items with identical geonames IDs, chances are they should be merged. --99of9 (talk) 05:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I too am only using N/A in the same way. I did some initially for other reasons but remove them later. If I cannot find a Wikipedia article corresponding to the SSC that meets my definition of "I would be OK to see the SSC population added to this article", I create a New Item. I work on the theory that, when in doubt, it is probably easier to merge wikidata items later than to demerge them (unscrambling the egg is usually more difficult). When I have linked an existing Wikipedia article's wikidata to the SSC, I am not making any guarantees that there is an "infobox Australian place" in that article ready to receive the SSC data, simply that it is semantically the correct article. I also encountered some Queensland SSCs for which there were semantically corresponding Wikipedia articles but the article did not have any Wikidata link; for these, I added New Item. Because I have limited experience with wikidata, I may have overlooked wikidata entries that existed because they were not already matched to their corresponding Wikipedia article. The other problem I had when looking in page mode (which I used when I was just trying to work on Qld because it was more productive as I know Qld very well) is that the name of the SSC is over on the far left but the actions are over to the right but a line lower (poor GUI design). I found this separation difficult to keep lined up, and caught myself a few times doing the action for the wrong SSC, so this may well have happened without my catching it (it's not a problem that can happen in game mode, but it's much less efficient working across different states). I had a few problems with MixnMatch going into a "zombie mode" where it appeared to be interacting at the GUI level but was evidently NOT making any backend changes on the wikidata itself (I did dozens of Qld places starting with "M" that had to be redone later, so I suspect it is possible for the MixnMatch tool and the underlying wikidata to be out of kilter with respect to "matched/unmatched" for similar kinds of reasons). Finally there are some 2011 SSCs that are no longer official Qld place names now in 2017; however they were all places that did not have a Wikipedia article (remote undeveloped areas mostly) so I just made them New Items for these ones. So there is a lot of scope for errors due to any of the above, but I always used the principle of "is this going to relate the SSC to the semantically corresponding Wikipedia article that should have that SSC's population data" since that is the end goal. I will probably tackle NSW places next as that is probably the state for which I have the next best personal geographic knowledge and the next best familiarity with their official place name website (an invaluable tool in this activity). But I will have to take some time out over the weekend to do some work to set up for Qld WikiClub on Monday (our theme is NAIDOC Week and we will be expanding a number of Qld place articles with indigenous history content, which is available under CC-BY so that should be quite productive!). Kerry (talk) 22:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Ding ding ding. Well done everyone. I think we should sit back on the SSCs for a few days before mapping to 2016, just in case there are errors we can sort out before propagating them. In the meantime, if you're still itching for something to play with, there are Tourism Regions and National Resource Management Regions. However these are trickier, because the ABS doesn't seem to actually have a link to show you the boundaries of each region. We can get them as KML files, but that is a whole lot of work for something perhaps not very important (i.e. we are unlikely to import automatic statistics for Resource Management Regions). --99of9 (talk) 07:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Are we going to do UCLs too? A lot of people like them for city/town articles. There's fewer of them than SSCs (or so I think). In Qld at least, we have a lot of articles about a place that is gazetted as both a town and a locality so there are both UCL and SSC populations for them (occasionally they show the same number, but mostly different numbers). For the larger towns, we often have separate articles for the town and the central suburb (which may or may not have a different name). Kerry (talk) 07:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Yep, we did them at the same time as SSCs here. Do you think we should do postal regions or SA1/SA2/SA3/SA4s? If I could find a list of all GL codes, I would do them, but I can't find a list. --99of9 (talk) 07:38, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, and the LGAs too. I don't know if we care about the various SA1/2/3/4 as I don't think they generally map that welll onto articles. I'd leave them for manual entry by anyone who feels that they are useful for some specific purpose. Personally I don't think we need to care too much about Tourism/Resources; I suspect we may not have good mappings onto Wikipedia articles for these in any case. I notice in Qld we have loads of articles on National Parks but virtually none on Resource Reserves. While there is lots of exciting stuff in the census, I think we should keep our focus on what can be realistically automated/semi-automated to reduce the workload of what would otherwise would be done manually. Kerry (talk) 07:45, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm au fait with quickstatements imports and I have the 2011 -> 2016 SSC correspondence file, so let me know if you want me to do any 2016 SSC ID imports. I'm sure you can do it yourself, but let me know if you want me to do a state or two... --Canley (talk) 07:15, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer. Hold for the moment, because I've still been finding a few errors, and the category of mismatches Category:Australian_Statistical_Geography_Standard_2011_ID_different_from_Wikidata is still pretty large (I think we should investigate each one). I'm also still not sure how we can get the CONF_VALUE onto Wikidata. I think the best wouuld be as a qualifier to the SSC codes, but I haven't found an appropriate qualifier yet, and am wondering if we need to propose one of our own. CONF_VALUEs would help with whether to draw populations from those SSCs or whether to put a note against them when a wiki template calls them. See descriptions here. --99of9 (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @Canley: @Kerry Raymond: On another note, I just got in contact with the ABS and they sent me the GL codes for 2016 (I can ask for 2011 later if we need them too), so we could do another MixNMatch for them. But there are 35,000 items, so I might do a bit of massaging to ensure we get as many automatic matches as possible! --99of9 (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm just having a look at the ABS 2011 -> 2016 correspondence table, and it looks like the 2016 geography seems to be far more detailed than the 2011 data. For 2011, there are 8,524 SSCs, with 8,475 in Wikidata. In 2016, there are 14,860 SSCs, and there are just over 4,000 with 1:1 geographic match between years. So for example: the 2011 SSC Aberfoyle (SSSC10006) corresponds to five 2016 SSCs: SSC10008 Aberfoyle, SSC10585 Brockley, SSC12425 Lyndhurst (Armidale Regional - NSW), SSC14146 Wards Mistake, SSC14376 Wongwibinda. I wonder if the 2016 data is far more accurate to the GL data? If so it could solve our "multiple GLs in one SSC problem", but could require a lot more matching! --Canley (talk) 10:23, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Interesting! So we're likely to have to match at least one large set. If we do SSCs we get 4000 for free. If we do GLs, we could follow the resulting weblink and scrape the SSC from it? (Or ask for a mapping, which I can't see in what they've sent me already - although it does have a statement about which LGA each GL is in). The 35000 I mentioned earlier turns out to include plenty of aliases, there are 15880 unique GL codes. --99of9 (talk) 10:48, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oh, but GLs are not enabled in 2016 quickstats yet. So we wouldn't be able to use the generated link at this stage. --99of9 (talk) 12:07, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond and Canley: I'm working my way backwards through the category: Category:Australian_Statistical_Geography_Standard_2011_ID_different_from_Wikidata. I just found a 2011 template calling a 2006 ID. So far most of the errors have been on the wiki page not wikidata, but some used SA2 codes which I added as alternatives to wikidata. Does one of you want to start at the top and meet me half way?--99of9 (talk) 11:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I'll get started now. --Canley (talk) 11:40, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Haven't found any Wikidata errors so far. They all seem to be people updating the population and the code but not changing the template to 2016 (or 2011); references to the population of another entity such as the LGA or twin city; or just plain code typos. --Canley (talk) 12:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Nice, me neither. A couple I have left in there, because the page (e.g. Western Australia) has a whole bunch of population references, not just statewide. So it's in the "same" category and the "different" category. --99of9 (talk) 12:39, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
OK, I'll play in the middle then. My first was just as you guys said, someone who reused a 2006 census citation by just changing the year to 2011. Kerry (talk) 14:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I've had to add some GL_NSW codes into Wikidata. --99of9 (talk) 14:06, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
What do I do with Caboolture, Queensland which is using SA2? Kerry (talk) 14:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Ok to add the code to wikidata. Once the wiki page is edited (even null) that will clear the category. However if you think SA2 is not ideal for enwiki, then of course you can change it as a regular editing decision. --14:12, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Can you elaborate on how I add the code to wikidata? (I am not much of a wikidata person). Can you point me to one you have done? Kerry (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
@Kerry Raymond: I added an SA2 ID to Bowral (Q2348677). Go to the item page, scroll down the bottom to the Identifiers section, and click "+ add" under the "Australian Statistical Geography 2011 ID" claim, then paste the SA2 ID in (Bowral was 114021284). --Canley (talk) 02:12, 6 July 2017 (UTC)