User talk:Artxmas

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Hello Artxmas, and Welcome to Wikipedia!

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Happy editing! Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

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Hi! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. I'm sorry it's been frustrating for you! I saw your message on Moonriddengirl's talk page.

I know it's hard to understand why we would say there's a copyright problem when you're contributing material you wrote yourself!! Well, it's like this. Anybody could claim to be the person who wrote it. We need verification, because we have so many articles and we'd rather not have even one lawsuit over copyright violation.

So what you need to do is follow the instructions above. Since your email address is obviously connected with your website, using that email address can prove who you are. So, one of your options is to send email from that address to the wikimedia foundation email address listed in the instructions above, giving copyright permission under the GFDL as described in the instructions. Another option is for you to edit your website to state that re-use is permitted under the GFDL. Either way, the GFDL licence allows anyone to copy and modify the material under certain conditions including giving attribution to the original author.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience and frustration and hope this can be cleared up soon.

When people write things on Wikipedia that they're composing as they go along, they're automatically released under the GFDL because when you edit, there's a statement saying that just under the edit box. But when the material matches something on a website, then we need further verification to make sure it's not a copyright violation.

If you have any questions: if you put a message on this page (which is your own talk page), I might see it and can answer it; I've put your talk page on my watchlist. You can put a message on my talk page or Moonriddengirl's talk page which is where you already put a message; in that case we'll certainly see your message. You can email me by going to my talk page and then clicking "email this user" in the links which are usually at the left side of the page, if you've entered your own email address in "preferences"; you can find the "preferences" link at the top of the page. But, don't bother sending me a statement of copyright permission; that has to go to the wikimedia email address as explained in the instructions above. You can also ask for help at the Wikipedia:Help desk, or put a question on this talk page and put {{helpme}} next to your question, and someone will respond soon. For this copyright problem, it's probably best to discuss it with me or Moonriddengirl, if you have any questions, since we've already started discussing it. Coppertwig(talk) 03:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for contacting me at my talk page, Mr. Christmas. As per your request, I have replied to you through e-mail. As you'll no doubt see when you read it, my advice is substantially similar to Coppertwig's, though I've also added a caution that once donated, you will lose control of this material. If you wish to discuss the matter with me further, please free free to leave a note for me here or to contact me at my talk page, which you can reach at the link following my username. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Artxmas. I'm glad the copyright permission stuff seems to have all been worked out, and I'm sorry for the earlier frustration and confusion.
I would also like to add that Wikipedia articles can be edited by anyone, so you shouldn't be surprised if people change the article. Also, articles should conform to Wikipedia's content policies, including the neutral point of view policy, which requires that the article be written from a factual, neutral point of view. Because of your connection with the subject of the article, it may be a good idea for you to read the conflict-of-interest policy.
Again, thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Coppertwig(talk) 22:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Optional e-mail[edit]

A letter to the Wikimedia Foundation would purely be a safeguard in the event that the material is challenged in the future. Your release at the external site should be sufficient, so long as that site remains live and the notice remains displayed. If you think that at some time in the future you may take down the site or wish to remove that notice, the release would probably be a good idea. In case you want to send a release, I'll provide a template that could prove useful.

Since you've written me, I know that your e-mail address should be sufficient to positively identify you as the owner of this website. If you send an e-mail, please use as your subject line: "Copyright permission, Wikipedia article Art Christmas". The e-mail should be sent to permissions-en at wikimedia dot org. (To cut down e-mail spammers, obviously, that e-mail address has been changed. at should be replaced with @; dot should be replaced with . There should be no spaces in the address.)

The body of your release should read:

I hereby assert that I am the creator of WORK

I agree to publish that work under the free license LICENSE GFDL, v. 1.3 or later.

I acknowledge that I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be attributed to me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.


If the Communications Committee has any questions about your release of the material, they should contact you. Otherwise, they will log a ticket number at the article that can be referenced at any point in the future when questions about our legal use of this material should arise.

Merry Christmas to you, too. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button Button sig.png located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 14:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

More about Art Christmas[edit]

Hi, Artxmas: I was happy to see your edit because it means you're still editing Wikipedia! Maybe you didn't see my message at Talk:Art Christmas. It would be very helpful if you could give more information about the sources you used as references. We need enough information so that someone else can find exactly where you found the information. Things like: date (or year) of publication; name of author; title of magazine article as well as name of magazine; which issue of the magazine; page number, name of publisher, location (e.g. city) of publication. I would appreciate it if you would give as much information like that as you can for each reference. Most of the references don't look complete enough to be proper references; giving more information about the references may help avoid having the article perhaps eventually be deleted.

I see that you removed an "orphaned article" tag in this edit. Actually, that tag was correct, so you shouldn't have removed it. It meant that there were few or no other articles linking to the Art Christmas article. You can find out how many articles link to it by going to the Art Christmas article and clicking on "what links here" in the list of links at the left. At that time, no articles linked to it. All the pages linking to it were non-articles: pages with names beginning with "User:" or "Wikipedia:" and things like that. Just now, I've added links to Art Christmas from a few other articles: [1] [2] [3] So, now that I've done that, it's now OK to leave the orphan tag off; although if anyone re-adds the orphan tag, it could be because some of the links I added got deleted or because 3 links is still considered "few", so please don't delete it again. Because the conflict of interest policy applies to you with respect to this article, and because you're not very experienced at editing Wikipedia (it can get quite complicated!), I suggest that before deleting any maintenance tags (those boxes at the top of the article) that you ask me, Moonriddengirl or another experienced Wikipedian.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention: I deleted the "coda" section of the article. I'm sorry about that, but I see a couple of problems with this section. It includes a quote from Melody Maker magazine. Quotes can be fine, but we try to avoid very long quotes as they can violate copyright. It isn't clear how much of the section is a quote, since the closing quotation mark is missing. It may be too long a quote. Also, I think it may be unfair to the magazine to give a quote, especially a long one, without giving a proper bibiographic reference. I think the reference should tell the reader which issue of the magazine contains the quote, and preferably give at least either the page number of the title of the magazine article so that the reader can find where in that issue the quote is. If the magazine was published once a month, for example, I think the reference should say which month it was. I think a short quote, one or two sentences, maybe three, would be better both for copyright reasons and to maintain an impartial tone.

I look forward to hearing from you about the bibliographic information about those references. Thanks. Coppertwig (talk) 15:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

July 2009[edit]

Please do not remove tags from pages without explanation in the edit summary, as you did to Art Christmas. Thank you. -- IRP 05:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Art Christmas CC-BY-SA license release needed.[edit]

Hi, apologies for all of the hoop-jumping that is required here, but since Wikipedia switched to using a different license (Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike 3.0) to the GFDL, we now require that the text from the source be released under that license too. The terms are similar, but less restrictive and you can read them here. To satisfy our requirements, you can do either of the following:

This will allow us to remove the tag and use the content, in the same way as when you previously released the content under the GFDL. If you need any help sorting this out, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Regards, – Toon 14:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)