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I notice you expressing weariness at the discussion about drug infoboxes. Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate the work you do! Jytdog (talk) 18:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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For your thoughtful, poetic contribution about learning chemistry, and the value of informative categories in science. You have my respect. Sandbh (talk) 11:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for all of your amazing work with the Chembox - and for putting up with all of my OSH data requests. :) You're awesome! Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH) (talk) 01:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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You've done a whole damn lot for our project. You've actually made it better. Please keep up.--R8R Gtrs (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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For turning the trivial names of groups table in the periodic table article into a visual feast for the eyes Sandbh (talk) 13:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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For repeated improvements on templates used in phonetics articles. Particularly admirable is the combination of seeking out explicit consensus and dutifully carrying out necessary changes once it is reached. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 14:51, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
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You're the hero of the day on this pickle of a problem. Thanks for the insight. VanIsaacWScontribs 23:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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For your amazing work with the graph. It appears now better than what I thought of it to be before! With your learning ability, you're all up to be an awesome graphic designer, in addition to your template skills! Thanks, man R8R Gtrs (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for all your suggestion and opinion (as here or here) which are really very helpful. Face-smile.svg Tito Dutta (talk) 13:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
THIS today is edit #50000 by DePiep on en:WP.
-DePiep (talk) 16:58, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Changing leads to one paragraph[edit]

In this edit you are changing the leads to one paragraph [1]. They should be left as three paragraphs IMO. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Same here [2] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Doc James You are right, bad edits in the lede. You c an safely revert my edit (instead of manula repair). Because, that will notify me and it will put the article page back in the maintenance category it was about.
Interestingly, MOS:PARAGRAPHS says: "Between paragraphs—as between sections—there should be a single blank line". However, what you reinstated (and what most FA's have!) is just a <br/> forced single break at the end of a paragraph (no blank line at all). Strange. -DePiep (talk) 09:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I manually undid the few I have come across. No worries. Not sure what a "<br/>" is. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Good. "<br/>" (=line break) in wikicode does "enforce newsline here", so the same as the two whitelines do we are talking about. Dmo

Like this lorem ipsum: blaba end of paragraph.
next paragraph newline. more blabla. -DePiep (talk) 18:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Would you consider ... YBG (talk) 01:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[edit]

Would you consider moving your Against from the end of the brainstorm list to the newly created support/oppose section? Thanks! YBG (talk) 01:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

P.S. I've tried to include your comments into the brainstorm list. I trust I haven't wrenched your ideas out of context. YBG (talk) 01:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
So far, I see no reason to withdraw becasuse I do oppose. You may consider another reason by me, as I explained above (ie before jumping into brainstorm list.
And let me be clear at the start of this year: you might as well ask Sandbh what his preferred colors are and then skip the process. Sandbh seems to think and press into content that his highschool wall PT is the perfect form and needs no further sources, discussion or improvement. (Strange you did not address this btw). As long as this threat to push looms over Elements, it is useless and misleading to ask for contributions of others. -DePiep (talk) 03:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm not asking you to withdraw your objection, just asking you to consider moving it from one section (WT:ELEMENTS § Potential considerations in color selection) to a different section (WT:ELEMENTS § Support for and opposition to this suggested process). I considered inserting the section head ====Support for and opposition to this suggested process==== between the list and your vote, but I thought that would be a significant change of context that was skating too close to violating WP:TPOC. YBG (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Periodic table color in element pages[edit]

I have not been paying much attention to the extensive discussion of periodic table layouts, so please let me know if the following is part of one of them, or where else I should ask, but you seem to be doing a lot of work on these sorts of things. In the article for each element, the periodic table in the infobox, is color-coded according to a set of categories. The colors are defined in {{Periodic table (32 columns, micro)/elementcell}}. My problem is that the color of hydrogen makes its space virtually invisible against the white background on which it is displayed. |category=diatomic nonmetal gives color #e7ff8f, very hard  to  see or click the small space unless you know where to look. At least for the nitrogen and oxygen spaces, their locations are knowable from the surrounding darker colored ones on multiple sides. But hydrogen is fairly alone. I'd welcome any change of color but did not want to change it too WP:BOLDly..I'm not sure what other layouts are being kept in sync. DMacks (talk) 04:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

At enwiki We use a set of 11 colors for what we call "metallicity categories" in the periodic table (PT). See the legend in Periodic table. This set is the same over all PT's, both html tables and images. Could be a 40-50 together. Of course this consistency is very helpful in an already complicated topic. In specialised areas and in other topics (like blocks) a different legend-set is used.
Now you happened to walk into a new discussion about these colors (you have seen). Main issue with current set is bad contrast (re WP:ACCESS): background too dark. What you describe is an issue too (distinction from bg), and already mentiooned somewhere in there.
Now picking an other set (or just chaning one color in this case) is a huge process. There are many requirements to take care of , some even contradicting. There also is: contrast with fontcolors, distinction of neighbor colors, stressing main border area metalloids, colorblindness, and more. There is no single algorithm/process/recepy to reach an outcome; cyclic is better and still compromises might be needed. The problems are especially huge because of the number "11 categories": four would be a lot easier!
We have started the process by first focusing on: the 11 distinguishable background colors (status in User:DePiep/pt-2016). A lot of extreme errors are gone already. More tuning to do. Next step would be the other requirements like good contrast with fonts, and -- relevant for your point -- effects in big/small PTs, and re background. But today these 2nd set of checks is not processed at all. Also, I'd like to research more about such issues in the process (color perception).
So yes, this is a topic already in discussion, together with 20 other issues. To be a good website, we can not compromise on these access issues (but maybe elsewhere). And it takes loads of time. On my clock, and on the calendar. -DePiep (talk) 05:47, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Sõ, there is no bold & quick solution b/c the color is embedded. Maybe, while working on this, I'll find a interim improvement. -~~

Main Page (2015 redesign)[edit]

Hi DePiep

I left a response to your comments on the 2015 redesign of the Wikipedia Main Page.

Regards, Ntmamgtw (talk) 02:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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InChI edits[edit]

Hi. In this edit to Atorvastatin it appears that you accidentally over wrote it with material taken from Atomoxetine. I have restored the previous material minus the redundant InChI parameters. If you are using a script for these edits, you might want to check the script. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 13:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes this is a bug in AWBscript. I thought it was solved, but appearently not. I'll take some more care. (you can always revert any doubtful edit in this series). -DePiep (talk) 13:42, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Appreciation of the work you've done[edit]

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Thanks for investing your time in improving infoboxes like the chembox and drugbox. You've added a lot of useful functionality to the drugbox since you started working on it. Seppi333 (Insert ) 17:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, appreciated :-) -DePiep (talk) 18:16, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Chembox Jmol/format displayed text[edit]

I think "graph" is an incorrect word in standard English here. It's not quite any of the main meanings at Graph for example. It might be a "graphic", or a "diagram", or more precisely for this context a "structure". DMacks (talk) 02:55, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@DMacks: Removing graph from this sounds good. Next, I don't think we should use interactive structure, because the structure is not interactive (one can not change that in Jmol). I think "graphic" is OK, possibly 3D model. Will play with it and then change something for sure. -DePiep (talk) 06:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for fixing articles up via AWB Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you![edit]

Gaufre biscuit.jpg Thanks for cleaning up those infobox parameters! giso6150 (talk) 23:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks beaucoup!!! -DePiep (talk) 05:29, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


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engvar=en-GB in element infoboxes[edit]

should turn "centered" (e.g. in "face-centered cubic") into "centred", or at least make the latter accepted. (Also "vapourisation" should be "vaporisation", as words with -ise usually follow the original Latin root, which has -or here. Wiktionary has vapourise, but only as a misspelling.) Currently only affects the four en-GB element articles (P, Cs, Th, Fl). Double sharp (talk) 09:20, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

So, in en-GB articles we'll see: vaporised, vaporisation, centred. -DePiep (talk) 18:13, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
phosphorus text has vaporized btw. -DePiep (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Fixed. Double sharp (talk) 04:24, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
I have fixed the infoboxes. Note that Cs and Fl use Oxford spelling.Burzuchius (talk) 14:03, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
In that case, {{infobox fluorine}} should have |engvar=en-OED then. I won't do it because I cannot check that. Must have to do with my cambridgeian dialect. -DePiep (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Fl is not fluorine, it is flerovium. And I have already done. Burzuchius (talk) 18:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
LOL. What do i know about elements. This Fl-thing, is that something new? -DePiep (talk) 19:32, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Burzuchius ergh, pls check Cs and my Cs infobox edit. -DePiep (talk) 19:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
OK. I have corrected a bug in the module Engvar. Burzuchius (talk) 20:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Nah. Why so negative? I did not use my chance to say that I liked it was so easy to apply my {{engvar}}. -DePiep (talk)
Just to say that before my correction, |engvar=en-OED in templates had given unexpected results. Now the module works well.Burzuchius (talk) 20:40, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
I got that. It's just that I enjoy the improvements over bug reports. Bugs in "my" code. -DePiep (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Re: Comments at WP:ANEW[edit]

Regarding your comments at WP:ANEW: The page title is "Administrators' Noticeboard/Edit warring". I'm not sure exactly what lesson you want me to learn from that title.

What I do know is that says this in bold and italic print near the top of the page: "This page is for reporting active edit warriors and recent violations of restrictions like the three-revert rule." The reason the violation has to be recent is because there is only one remedy for violating 3RR or 1RR: stop the person who broke the rule from continuing to disrupt. This is done by protecting the page, blocking one or more editors, or (in certain topic areas like this one) issuing a page or topic ban (which is enforced by, guess what, blocking a user). If they've already stopped being disruptive, you don't need an administrator to intervene.

There is only a very small list of things you need an administrator for: to protect a page, delete a page, block someone, edit a protected page, or close a contentious discussion. Almost everything else, like gaining consensus to revert that template, is something you can do yourself by using the appropriate venue. 1RR is not a free pass to have the page reverted when someone breaks the rule. Either you use your own revert for the day to put it back, or you gain a consensus with other editors that the page is better with the edit reverted and someone else does it. Whichever you choose, you don't need an admin to do it. –Darkwind (talk) 09:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I clicked WP:3RR and another admin comes telling me that I am wrong. Instead of solving the issue. Read this again please: I did not ask for a block. From this you are free to load me with issues I did not look or ask for. And this given the page title: "Wikipedia:Edit warring", i.e. a page to report edit warring. The title does not restrict this (otherwise, is should be: "WP:Block/restrict an edit warring editor"). The rest of your position, as you describe it, is distraction. I did not ask for a block, and please don't blame for not asking so.
Darkwind -DePiep (talk) 23:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
2nd ping Darkwind -DePiep (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
2nd ping Darkwind -DePiep (talk) 23:55, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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I have blocked you for three months in response to the WP:ANI#Trolling by DePiep thread. Fram (talk) 10:26, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Fram, what's the reply/undo option templates? -DePiep (talk) 22:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
[4] by now. -DePiep (talk) 22:07, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Actually, Fram, I don't get your action. Now 2 weeks later, I still don't get it. Could you please, seriously, point out how &tc I did 'troll'? Pls use a timeline. -DePiep (talk) 22:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I can't explain it any better than the posts by Floquenbeam, LindsayH, Begoon, and my statement at the end of that thread. And no, I'm not going to create a timeline for this. Fram (talk) 07:24, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Fram: thanks. This is a serious, and better, base I can use. -DePiep (talk) 21:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Just noticed DePiep was blocked. Three months is a long time. If they agree not to repeat the issue that occurred could we unblock sooner? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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This blocked user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

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Request reason:

Some independent admin please look into this carefully. This is not an "I'll never do this again" request.

I claim that the block was ill-based.

The ANI post is this, archived. User:Fram blocked me (this way), and only after asking [5] Fram gave references for arguments. Fram noted that the argument was within the ANI post, ie the original post was irrelevant (Fram stated that I was trolling within the ANI post). Fram stated [6], the trolling was against ANI-posts by Floquenbeam, LindsayH, Begoon, and Fram. Per each:

  • re Fram: so the argument for blocking me is "I, Fram, blocked you because Fram said so"
  • re User:Floquenbeam (Floq): I responded to the Floq post [7] adequately [8] (signed late), and way before Fram concluded. Still Fram used the (invalidated) Floq post as an argument.
-DePiep (talk) 22:22, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I read the relevant ANI discussion, and what I saw is that your behavior was really unacceptable. By the way, Fram never said that you were trolling against ANI-posts by Floquenbeam, LindsayH, Begoon, and Fram. They said the your trolling (which you fail to acknowledge) was explained by Floquenbeam, LindsayH, Begoon, and Fram in their posts. You were harassing another user (Andy Dingley) during the ANI discussion, and you don't even address that issue in this request. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:17, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks Sandbh and R8R Gtrs for this great notification! Hurray for Eric Scerri.

At the moment I am blocked. All in all, I expect our Periodic table science will not be damaged :-) Please Sandbh, keep mr. Scerri informed about our disputes (re group 3 etc). -DePiep (talk) 21:49, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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Please see Template talk:Infobox locomotive#One field cancelled out another. Peter Horn User talk 20:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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