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I notice you expressing weariness at the discussion about drug infoboxes. Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate the work you do! Jytdog (talk) 18:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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For your thoughtful, poetic contribution about learning chemistry, and the value of informative categories in science. You have my respect. Sandbh (talk) 11:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for all of your amazing work with the Chembox - and for putting up with all of my OSH data requests. :) You're awesome! Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH) (talk) 01:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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You've done a whole damn lot for our project. You've actually made it better. Please keep up.--R8R Gtrs (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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For turning the trivial names of groups table in the periodic table article into a visual feast for the eyes Sandbh (talk) 13:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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For your amazing work with the graph. It appears now better than what I thought of it to be before! With your learning ability, you're all up to be an awesome graphic designer, in addition to your template skills! Thanks, man R8R Gtrs (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
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Periodic table color in element pages[edit]

I have not been paying much attention to the extensive discussion of periodic table layouts, so please let me know if the following is part of one of them, or where else I should ask, but you seem to be doing a lot of work on these sorts of things. In the article for each element, the periodic table in the infobox, is color-coded according to a set of categories. The colors are defined in {{Periodic table (32 columns, micro)/elementcell}}. My problem is that the color of hydrogen makes its space virtually invisible against the white background on which it is displayed. |category=diatomic nonmetal gives color #e7ff8f, very hard  to  see or click the small space unless you know where to look. At least for the nitrogen and oxygen spaces, their locations are knowable from the surrounding darker colored ones on multiple sides. But hydrogen is fairly alone. I'd welcome any change of color but did not want to change it too WP:BOLDly..I'm not sure what other layouts are being kept in sync. DMacks (talk) 04:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

At enwiki We use a set of 11 colors for what we call "metallicity categories" in the periodic table (PT). See the legend in Periodic table. This set is the same over all PT's, both html tables and images. Could be a 40-50 together. Of course this consistency is very helpful in an already complicated topic. In specialised areas and in other topics (like blocks) a different legend-set is used.
Now you happened to walk into a new discussion about these colors (you have seen). Main issue with current set is bad contrast (re WP:ACCESS): background too dark. What you describe is an issue too (distinction from bg), and already mentiooned somewhere in there.
Now picking an other set (or just chaning one color in this case) is a huge process. There are many requirements to take care of , some even contradicting. There also is: contrast with fontcolors, distinction of neighbor colors, stressing main border area metalloids, colorblindness, and more. There is no single algorithm/process/recepy to reach an outcome; cyclic is better and still compromises might be needed. The problems are especially huge because of the number "11 categories": four would be a lot easier!
We have started the process by first focusing on: the 11 distinguishable background colors (status in User:DePiep/pt-2016). A lot of extreme errors are gone already. More tuning to do. Next step would be the other requirements like good contrast with fonts, and -- relevant for your point -- effects in big/small PTs, and re background. But today these 2nd set of checks is not processed at all. Also, I'd like to research more about such issues in the process (color perception).
So yes, this is a topic already in discussion, together with 20 other issues. To be a good website, we can not compromise on these access issues (but maybe elsewhere). And it takes loads of time. On my clock, and on the calendar. -DePiep (talk) 05:47, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Sõ, there is no bold & quick solution b/c the color is embedded. Maybe, while working on this, I'll find a interim improvement. -~~

Appreciation of the work you've done[edit]

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Thanks for investing your time in improving infoboxes like the chembox and drugbox. You've added a lot of useful functionality to the drugbox since you started working on it. Seppi333 (Insert ) 17:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, appreciated :-) -DePiep (talk) 18:16, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing articles up via AWB Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Gaufre biscuit.jpg Thanks for cleaning up those infobox parameters! giso6150 (talk) 23:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks beaucoup!!! -DePiep (talk) 05:29, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Articles that mention a specific track gauge has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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In the meantime, could you implement the idea to hide decay energies and daughters from the table in the main infobox? We agreed on that not too long ago.--R8R (talk) 18:11, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

That's what I proposed on WT:ELEM! (well, not the daughters because Double sharp opposed a bit I remember; can that do too if it is proposed & supported at WT:ELEM). -DePiep (talk) 18:23, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I remember I've got DS agree on this one: see User_talk:R8R_Gtrs#RFC_closed. We can go for it; wouldn't say so if I didn't think so.--R8R (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Why an indirect talk? Whatever it is, add it to the discussion at WT:ELEM. No need to take shortcuts. Last thing I want is having to revert because of bad process/talk/unclearness. -DePiep (talk) 18:56, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I sort of see the point. But what I am afraid of is that we can't seem to get it there; I wouldn't say so if we didn't try. If we were a project of at least 10 active members, then a decision of three would be bad. But, really, apart from us three, it's really only Sandbh and YBG, and neither of them seems to be interested in this issue. Or, to put it this way, we can act boldly; if anyone reverts us then, which anyone is totally free to do at that point, we'll proceed to the inter-WP talk. But I'm sure none will; that's why I'd rather go for it now.--R8R (talk) 19:07, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I am not worried. If all three editor agree there, I feel strong & supported to make the change. That's how it works, and especially the WP:ELEM team is very good in this.
Even when afterwards someone comes along and raises issues, the Talk will give a result (useful: let's do it, not useful: keep).
More worried I am about mixing of unrelated issues and proposals. If I meet that, I'll try to be clear: "... is unrelated, but you can start a separate topic for that". For now, the best thing you could do is say 'support' (or 'not') for the simple proposal I did. -DePiep (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh and I did not research the DS thing you linked. If it is worth it, you will bring it on at WT:ELEM somehow. That would be good. WT:ELEM is OK. -DePiep (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Template:IPA chart non-pulmonic consonants with audio[edit]

Hi DePiep, I'm taking this template as an example.

Time ago I've tried to implement in voy:it: a "single audio play icon" (like the ones in that template) to play something without changing the page, but unfortunately without success.

Could you help me to understand how it works and how is possible to implement it in that wiki?

Thanks, --Andyrom75 (talk) 11:03, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Andyrom75. I worked on this long time ago, but I can take a look. Please link to the en:wiki source you used, and the voy:it: target page you want help on. -DePiep (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
In this section we use intensively the voy:it:Template:Traduzione that currently shows three things: the Italian sentence, the translated sentence in the target language, "an Italian sequence of letters" that is supposed to have a similar sound to the translated sentece if pronounce by an Italian person.
I'd like to add an icon of the sentence/word in the target language to be played without leaving the page, in the same way of the player shown in voy:it:Svedese#Altre_note_sulla_pronuncia but with just a small icon like the ones used in your template.
I cannot link the en:w code, because I wasn't able to understand which is the code (or maybe the JS?) that allow such effect. --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:24, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Have you taken a look at it? --Andyrom75 (talk) 09:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Andyrom75 Oops, unkindly I forgot this. Will do now. -DePiep (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Andyrom75 This is the code that shows the play-box:
<div style="height:20px">[[File:{{{audiofile|_nofilename_}}}|{{{size|40px}}}]]</div>

For example:

<div style="height:20px">[[File:Voiceless bilabial plosive.ogg|40px]]</div>


The audio file should have no image (won't show correct, eg File:Automatic telephone Siemens & Halske - ringing.webm)
The button is in a <div> box (that is: not inline with text). This box can be in a table or infobox.
Of course, it can be made into a template (input: filename).
Also, that template can have text added in a second div-box. Etcetera.
The IPA phonetic files are nicely read from a list (input ʘ returns its filename). Do you need that?
Please let me know if you this is useful for you. Or if you need more. -DePiep (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Easier than I've thought :-)
Now, I've done the first big step: to have just the play button that play the ogg file without changing the page.
That said, would be great to have that button inline with the text without using tables, because tables would add a lot of useless HTML code.
Any idea? --Andyrom75 (talk) 13:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Code is easy indeed, dunno why I have hidden it in a stack of 4 subtemplates. ;-)

It still is a File (like an Image is), so inline usage may give page troubles. Trying a <span>:

<span style="height:20px">[[File:Voiceless bilabial plosive.ogg|40px]]</span>
Lorem ipsum
and text continuing.

-DePiep (talk) 13:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

In fact I got lost between all those templates :-P I've tried div, span on image, text and a combination of them ... no success... --Andyrom75 (talk) 13:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • To research: use <span style="display:inline-block"> ? see[2]
by div: Lorem ipsum
and text continuing.
by span: Lorem ipsum
and text continuing.

-DePiep (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Cool, I've just discover it at the same time from another source :-)
One question. Do you think that would be possible to show a smaller image or even better a different one?
Look at voy:it:Inglese#Vocali, I'd love to preserve the current image, or at least to reduce the size of the "play button" to that. --Andyrom75 (talk) 14:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I've changed the last examples to: h=15px, w=35px. A different image: don't know. The trick is that this is the original play-button, to stay on the page. (An image would open a new page). But this is basics I know of, maybe there isa an other option.
This is problematic: I discovered that on my mobile screen the button does not work... -DePiep (talk) 15:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Oh no! You are right, on mobile view it doesn't work :-( I can't implement somthing that doesn't work on all the environment. Thanks anyway for your support. --Andyrom75 (talk) 13:49, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Found this: <span class="nomobile"> (looking for the class="nodesktop"? "mobileonly"? counter option). Then flip like (mobile view falls back to loudspeaker):
Loudspeaker light blue.svg
  •  :by div: Lorem ipsum
    Loudspeaker light blue.svg
    and text continuing.

Needs another look. Could ask WP:VPT village pump. -DePiep (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)-DePiep (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Periodic template legend[edit]

Hi DePiep, where is the template showing the 11 categories of colour-coded element plus the row along the top divided into metal and nonmetal? Thank you. Sandbh (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Sandbh Its Template:Periodic table legend, documentation should be clear. You'll need like |theme1=category, |child=yes/no. Ask more when trouble. -DePiep (talk) 17:00, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
As far as I can see none of these templates show me the actual code. It's the code I need so that I can update my proposal from some weeks ago. I only have limited internet access at the moment and it's impractical for me to code the thing manually. Sandbh (talk) 19:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, I'll make a single-code template for you. That will be all fixed code colors then. 24h ok? -DePiep (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
That'll do, thank you. The top row only needs to show metal and nonmetal and it butts up against the two row high category box for unknown chemical properties. The bottom row shows the eleven categories. The metalloid category box is only one row high, not two. Sandbh (talk) 23:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
So, it uses the live PT legend frame. See also 2017set testcases.
Usage: {{Periodic table legend|theme1=Category2017set|child=yes}}
-DePiep (talk) 10:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:John F. Kennedy/sandbox2[edit]

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Metal-nonmetal periodic table[edit]

Just a note to say that I have inserted your metal-nonmetal periodic table linked from Talk:Metal into the Metal article. Dirac66 (talk) 14:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Catalan name[edit]

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Mark 6, 7[edit]

Thank you for helping to show that the discussion at WT:ELEM § Mark 4 + Mark 5 was confusing. However, what you put as Mark 6 and Mark 7 were not different categorization proposals in parallel to Marks 1-5, but rather different ways of constructing a legend for Mark 5. I hope that my insertion of subsection headers and editorial comments has now made this clearer.

I am glad that you have returned to our discussion! I hope that by archiving off large volumes of text we were successful in bringing the page size back to a more reasonable level that facilitates your involvement. YBG (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

To me they look like different structures so they are different. If not: ok, then again do mark their identity (variants?). A bit frustrating that I am supposed to research that. -DePiep (talk) 22:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
If there were to be more discussion that harkened back to them, then I'd mark them 5a, 5b, and 5c. Mostly they were attempts to create a legend without having to came a category "other something". As the discussion seems to be proceeding in a direction that would provide a reasonable name for this 11-element category, I think that all three legend alternatives are most likely dead. But I have been wrong before.
Thank you for your patience. Sometimes when I'm in the middle of a discussion, I forget to take into consideration that some come to the discussion with fresh eyes. Those fresh eyes are always helpful in making sure that things are explained better. But there is always the extra frustration for the first set of fresh eyes. Thanks again! YBG (talk) 22:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
(ec) YBG: No, they are NOT the same. If you don't add a sensible ID, I will. What a stupid approach. And I don't like at all that the discussion is forked into this page. -DePiep (talk) 22:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Jeeeee. The very moment I come back to read & contribute to WT:ELEMENTS I get reverted again. Sure, I am the one who does not undertand the discussion. -DePiep (talk) 22:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I have now added my explanatory comments without removing your marks. I should have done that in the first place. Sorry for frustrating you by my edits and by my forking to your talk page. YBG (talk) 23:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I've changed them to YBG's suggestion of 5a, 5b, and 5c. Hopefully the lettering suggests that these were just a few ideas thrown out in quick succession and then abandoned. Double sharp (talk) 23:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Read. -DePiep (talk) 02:15, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Collapsible table on mobile view[edit]

Hi! Thank you for the idea on collapsible tables on the talk page of WikiProject medicine! Its really not good that the tables don't collapse. I did not quite understand how the change you proposed would be implemented but I wanted to try it out (there are some other tables online outside the medicine projects pages that could maybe benefit of the change). Could you please give me some further detail? I tried searching for it on some help-pages but was not very successful. Here I have the example:

Trifluoperazine versus placebo for schizophrenia[1]
Trifluoperazine is an effective antipsychotic for people with schizophrenia but it increases the risk of extrapyramidal adverse effects.[1]

Lena08041993 (talk) 12:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ a b Koch, K; Mansi, K; Haynes, E (2014). "Trifluoperazine versus placebo for schizophrenia". Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 1: CD010226.pub2. doi:10.1002/14651858.CD010226.pub2. 

New colors for our PT[edit]

Hey, I just stumbled today on my proposal from the last year and I thought that it was certainly better than what we have today. I recall there are no immediate problems to solve before it goes live. I think it would be right to launch it into the main space as it is currently the only version that we have that complies with the color design requirements you introduced me to back then. I'm not immediately lauching it because you were to it as well and I wouldn't want this to create any uncomfortable feelings but you don't seem to be working on it at the moment, either. How about this: I'm launching my current version and then wait for you to finish yours; then when you do, I will stay away from the discussion on if we should use yours instead? (I want to make it absolutely clear this is not a competition to me and I am ready to step down when there is something to step down to.)--R8R (talk) 13:11, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

2,3,3,3-tetrafluoro-2-(heptafluoropropoxy)propanoic acid moved to draftspace[edit]

An article you recently created, 2,3,3,3-tetrafluoro-2-(heptafluoropropoxy)propanoic acid, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please follow the prompts on the Articles for Creation template atop the page. — InsertCleverPhraseHere 22:33, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Its a stub. -DePiep (talk) 22:36, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
And has a QID. -DePiep (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
disruption you say? Really? -DePiep (talk) 22:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
I left a reply to your comment over at wikiproject chemicals. — InsertCleverPhraseHere 00:10, 23 July 2017 (UTC)