User talk:Enochlau/Archive 2006a

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This page contains archived material written on my talk page during 2006.

VfDs and Sockpuppets[edit]

Hi Enochlau,

I just came across Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ while closing its second nomination, just like to tell you to do keep an eye out for sockpuppet voting.

Tell-tale signs include improper signing, votes other than the usual keep or delete (such as don't delete, or stay), and unformatted comments. Most of the time, fellow editors would be quick enough to point them out for you on VfD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ (2nd nomination) is a good example.

By the way, Happy New Year!

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 00:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC) :)

A lacky?[edit]

It's really a bad moment to learn that Novacatz was named a lackey [1] simply because she/he's having a similar position as I do. You may want to check my edit history, as well as those of Huaiwei, Alanmak and SchmuckyTheCat, and see if there's anything interesting and worthwhile to be included to the comment request. Thanks again for bringing up the case. — Instantnood 18:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

"In order to remain listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment, at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the same dispute with a single user, not different disputes or multiple users." If instantnood sees a need to "add to the case" as mentioned above, I would think it wise for him to do it on his own accord instead of riding on your case, since the RFC was clearly on a specific dispute in one article. Or does he have no guts to do it solo, and prefer to redefine and abuse wikipolicies for his wants and needs?--Huaiwei 09:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
My friend, I believe you have read that wrong. The dispute will remain with a single user, being you, Huaiwei. enochlau (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Francs2000 RfB[edit]

Could you please explain your answer towards your oppose vote here at Francs2000's RFB. For one you said, we need more bureaucrats, which I believe is a typo because you wouldn't vote oppose if we need more bureaucrats, which we do. And two, how does there not being enough bureaucrats disqualify Francs2000? — Moe ε 05:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you said. On the RfB you said:

This is nothing personal; it's just that I'm not convinced we need more.

Anyways, I still don't see how it disqualifies him from being a bureaucrat based on the opinion that "we need no more". — Moe ε 05:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 05:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Re MediaWiki:minoredit[edit]

    • Since there seems to be some interest in having some kind of link to the minor edit guidelines somewhere, just not whole words, perhaps we should start a poll? enochlau (talk) 04:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Polls don't get noticed unless they're on a heated enough topic. Being bold gets noticed. I'd rather selecting an option and going for it. Do you have an opinion, Enoch? jnothman talk 05:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
        • (Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 05:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC))

HC justices[edit]

hey enoch, just found that heydon is from SCEGS (i.e. Shore) (Collin would be proud). see link: clickie that leaves one, crennan, but she's defintly not from grammar and probably not from fort street (attended uni melb). so that's our final count - 4-7. who the hell was it that came up with the "one less" story? --Sumple 10:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 10:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC))

Susan Crennan attended Our Lady of Mercy Convent in Heidelberg. Source --Alexxx1 (talk/contribs) 21:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Closing deletions[edit]

Careful! You forgot to check for redirects when you deleted Bodybalance (exercise program) in response to AFD. You should have cleared off Bodybalance too... jnothman talk 15:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

if I can ask a favor....[edit]

I was wondering if I could ask a favor of you. (You're an admin who appears to be online right now, which is why I came here). I want to start using WP:AWB to do bad link repair, which I've been doing manualy for the last few months. User:Bluemoose has just taken a wikibreak, so he can't authorize me to use the AWB on authorized user's page. If you check my contributions, you'll see I have 3100+ edits, and have done a lot of bad link repair, so I can be trusted not to screw anything up. (which was Bluemoose's main criteria for approval). If you wouldn't mine adding me, I would greatly apreciate it.

thanks in advance --Bachrach44 00:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC))
Thanks a lot! --Bachrach44 00:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

your recent deletion[edit]

You deleted the Yasmine Bleeth Photo Gallery without any warning whatsoever. I'm relatively new with wikipedia, but believe me, I don't have the time or energy to waste on wikipedia if my work is going to be "speedily" deleted without any warning or chance to edit it in order to prevent deletion.

Bcsurvivor 13:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Monitor test[edit]

Have you tried tweaking the brightness in the MS Windows monitor settings? On Win XP on this Compaq, I can set the brightness (in rather coarse steps), so that both halves of the circle are visible, and even rather bright. Then, of course, any normal image will be severely washed out. Try looking for that brightness setting on your laptop, and please tell me if you succeed in getting the right half circle to show, while the left half is invisible. Then you should have a proper setting for showing shadow detail. Good luck! --Janke | Talk 19:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC) PS: Re putting a test image on the FPC page - if the text is worded correctly, it won't discourage voting, only alert viewers to the fact that monitors do differ, and an image that looks overly dark may in fact be good on a properly adjusted monitor. This is the usual problem - hardly ever the other way around. --Janke | Talk 19:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Francs2000's Bureaucratship

Thanks for your constructive comments on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (70/5/0), so I am now a bureaucrat. If you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as a bureaucrat then please leave me a note. -- Francs2000 22:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Avoid self references[edit]

Sorry, I don't understand your comment to avoid self-references [2], when you removed the links from Ad hominem to the Wikipedia policy page on No personal attacks. There are other examples of Wiki articles describing a topic, and proividing a link to Wiki policy on the subject. I don't see how that is a self-reference? --Iantresman 16:54, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 16:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC))

Re: Char siu[edit]

I suppose it's defaulted to be stayed when the community has not agreed with the move. It'd better be restored to its previous title for the time being. — Instantnood 22:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Queensway[edit]

Thank you. Frankly I believe in many occassions pipe text makes the materials clearer to readers. But anyways.. — Instantnood 22:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Relisting Afds[edit]

Hi there. When you relist AfDs, don't forget to untransclude the debate from its original day. Otherwise, it looks like it has already been relisted and it prevents that day's log from being closed for another 5-7 days. I spotted a couple by you on January 4, and I think I have already deleted one of them thinking it had already been relisted. -Splashtalk 00:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

Speedy Deletion[edit]

Thanks for the info. --Diehard2k5

Fort Street article[edit]

hey enoch

need help with the headmasters section that i'm trying to do. it's probly best presented as a table. but i don't know how to do tables properly. can you do it? --Sumple 11:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied in person. enochlau (talk) 14:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC))


That sounds like an effective solution. Thanks. Radiant_>|< 03:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 03:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC))

Lake Jindabyne[edit]

Hi Enochlau,

I noticed that you put Lake Jindabyne on the to-do list. If you're familiar with the area, can you have a look at Image:AndjamIDneededAAA030.jpg? Don't worry if you can't get it, because I ought to get it but I can't. Andjam 07:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 08:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC))

The image[edit]

In fact the image was uploaded a long long time ago. You can see that photo in Transport in Hong Kong. =) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 09:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 10:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC))

Speedying RfD articles[edit]

Earlier today, you speedily deleted Hornswaggled, which was listed on AfD. However, you did not close the AfD. In the future, please close all AfDs of deleted articles by adding {{subst:at}} '''speedily deleted''' ~~~~ to the top and {{subst:ab}} to the bottom. Thanks! --M@thwiz2020 18:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 22:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC))

Anti-Secession Law of the People's Republic of China[edit]

Didn't know you are an admin. This surprises me but doesn't change my view. My reply to your question is on my talk page. (Free Citizen 19:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)).

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 23:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC))

Noted and commented upon. (Free Citizen 10:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)).

What does your latest edit on this means? (Free Citizen 10:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)).
(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 11:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC))


I'm usually reluctant to contact others somewhat "personally" on Wikipedia (hence it "took" me a month to reply), but I do really see your name in Wikipedia a lot so maybe I should get to know you. Yes I am a science student here, doing mathematics, and I do kind of know who you are at uni, but I don't think you know me. -- KittySaturn 04:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 14:24, 18 January 2006 (UTC))
I'll still be undergrad I guess. And I'm not really keen on meet-ups myself either... -- KittySaturn 08:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for giving me the only actually useful answer I got a the help desk! You solved my problem. ike9898 13:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 14:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC))

Unidentified image[edit]

From its shape, the two logos on the top of building, and its proximity to Bank of China Tower, the building should be Asia Pacific Centre (Citibank Tower and ICBC Tower).

HenryLi 01:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 03:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC))

Re [3]: I've modified the summary there [4], according to the information on :-) — Instantnood 18:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 23:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC))

re: MapleStory[edit]

Yeah, I saw that in the history it gets vandalised a fair amount. But the thing is, it's a m:Foundation issue that anon editing is good for Wikipedia, and the debate and straw-poll surrounding the approval of semi-protection was pretty clear that people did not want to see it used for general, prophylactic protection. The policy is pretty clear that it isn't to be used to prohibit anon editing in general and that it isn't a solution to run-of-the-mill vandalism, which does seem to be pretty much the nature of the history. Also, when you sprotected it, there really was no problem that was needing a remedy of locking out all anons and all new users: semi actually reaches quite widely. With fairly few edits per day (e.g. 10ish, and not all of them bad) as it is (save for on the 20th, but that's long past) we shouldn't be reducing it still further. Remember that blocks should be used in preference to protects, where possible, since they only restrict the vandal. Maybe you could try calling into #wikipedia-en-vandalism and asking them to watchlist it, so that every edit gets wider scrutiny. Effectively, what you're seeking is indefinite protection of an article: that has faced pretty serious opposition even on George W. Bush, so you're unlikely, imo, to find support for that on MapleStory. If you really do think there is a particular problem that a use of protection might solve, then maybe run it by WP:RFP for more eyes on the question. Respectfully, Splashtalk 02:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 02:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC))


Hey Enoch, just got your message - Tarka 10:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 10:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC))

deletion of a post[edit]


i realised from my sitemeter tracker that someone had actually posted a 'biography' of neville nah on wikipedia which you deleted. as it so happens, i happen to be 'neville nah'. is it at all possible for me to view what was written cos i have had no prior knowledge of such an event occuring in the first place. if it isn't too much trouble, could you get back to me at email deleted?

thank you very much. really appreciate it.  :)

Why do you want it? enochlau (talk) 22:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

i wish to see the deleted nn bio primarily out of personal curiosity because it intrigues me that someone would take the time and effort to actually produce something like this. at the same time, it would also give me an idea of whether or not any malice was intended behind it. i figure since it was posted open source, then surely there wouldn't be any problems with me viewing it, especially considering that i'm the person that was written about lol. would really appreciate it if you would approve to this request and if not, could we perhaps continue this exchange via the email address that i provided earlier? thank you.

Retrieved from ""

Personal curiosity isn't a valid reason for me to retrieve deleted material. And sorry, no, as noted up the top of this page, I do not like to converse via email. enochlau (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

i understand when you say that personal curiosity is an insufficient enough reason to request for a retrieval of deleted information. but as i've also mentioned, another reason as to why i would like to see the material is to determine if malice was intended. i have been getting quite a bit of flak from people who have seen the article and seeing the content would hopefully enable me to identify the person who posted the article and hence, pursue the appropriate courses of action. it would also enable to respond in an equivocal manner. surely, that's not too much to ask for?


After discussing with other admins, I have decided to make the text available. It is at User:Enochlau/Neville Nah, a subpage of my user page. Please look at it, and when you are done with it, let me know and I will delete it. enochlau (talk) 06:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

bring back the panty waste[edit]

I noticed that you deleted my article on panty waste diting that it is "nonsence". I cant say I understand your reasoning, as everything I wrote was factual(it traditionally refers to female smegma, but is more commonly used to describe someone of weak physical/moral character) it showed a link in popular culture(MVP Most Valuable Primate) and I had already listed it as a stub, realizing that it was not complete, but ,hopefully, giving it a chance to grow. I think that if you google the term you will find it has relevance. If you are truely interested in the "democratic" side of wikipedia, and after doing research still veiw this as "nonsence" why not put it to the test in a public forum and put it up for a vote. A recent article I wrote taint went through this test and passed with fliing colors. If editor routinely delete every term that they are not aware of, you will find that wikipedia is less complete because of it. I thank you for your time(if you care to respond by giving reasons for your deletion/anything else please reply here/my webpage)Pickelbarrel 14:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I've undeleted it, because after a Google search it does appear to be a valid term. enochlau (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the open mind[edit]

often editors are reluctant to change their minds on a subject, and I am glad to see yo are not. Thanks23:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


Hey, Enochlau, I've replied to your comments at Talk:Xiangqi. (The only reason I'm notifying you is because I'm eager to revert back to the stable version...) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replied. enochlau (talk) 00:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC))