User talk:Grahamcoutts

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Honda Sports Cub (October 22)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Johannes Maximilian was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Do sources that discuss the Sports Cub as a a standalone model exist? --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 09:47, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 09:47, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Johannes, I would like to refer to the wiki page for the Honda S90 Honda Sport 90 which I used as a reference, apparently to literally as other then technical data for the specifications this articles two references 1 and 4 refer to webpages without any form of secondary sources, the first a cut and paste from a custom shop doing modifications to older bikes and the second from "Steve's" personal web page both with no references to the facts stated as to original production or mechanical design.

1. Manu. "Honda Sport 90 Café Racer by Deus Ex Machina". Moto Rivista. Retrieved 18 November 2013.

2. Honda S90 Shop Manual.

3. Honda S90 Owner's Manual.

4. Steve. "Honda S90 - Introduction". Retrieved 18 November 2013.

Maybe you could suggest why their spurious references are better then my two sources

1. Honda 50.55 Sports Model C110, C114, C115 Owner's Manual, HONDA MOTOR CO., LTD. 1966

2. The Book of the HONDA: A PRACTICAL GUIDE TO THE HANDLING AND MAINTENANCE OF ALL 50 c.c. SINGLES UP TO 1966, AND TWINS UP TO 1964 BY JOHN THORPE

The first specifications from the manufactures own publication and the second from a known author and publisher of technical books contemporary to the period these bikes were in production?

Nevertheless I am however going through the draft and will submit with rewrites of the introduction and image captions, but it's hardly worth the effort of searching for primary or secondary sources(with references) if I just need to pick some arbitrary "facts" off the web with no credible source noted. Grahamcoutts (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Honda Sports Cub[edit]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 01:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Honda Sports Cub (March 27)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

There is quite a lot of unreferenced information here, and some of the sources may not be reliable (I'm looking at no's 6 & 9, especially); furthermore, using 'ibid' is confusing, as it isn't clear to what source it refers (and will be even less clear over time as the article and its referencing evolves), please use named references instead. The sources also may or may not be enough to establish notability: 1 & 2 don't contribute anything; 6 & 9 almost certainly not either; and 8 & 9 are unclear per my previous point. This means that notability depends on sources 3–5, which is possible but far from certain. (Note that I am not declining for lack of notability at this time.)

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Grahamcoutts! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]