User talk:Horton225

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Speedy deletion nomination of West Who[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that West Who, a page that you created, has been tagged for deletion. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

It is unambiguous vandalism or an obvious hoax. (See section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please do not introduce inappropriate pages to Wikipedia; doing so is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.
It appears to be about something made up, and it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: West Who (September 17)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Boson was:

Lacking significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Boson (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your request for suggestions[edit]

You wrote on my talk page:

"I made considerable changes from the first draft for the West Who micronation entry. It seems to be in line with many of the articles about other micronations. Can you give me some specific ways to improve the page so that it will be accepted. Thanks."

I am replying here in order to keep the discussion in one place. I will watch this page for a while, so you can reply here, but you can use {{Ping|Boson}} to alert me to your reply.

The content of the article should be verifiable, so you should be careful to ensure that the sources given confirm what the article says. You should avoid representing claims or opinions as fact.
One of the main requirements is that notability be established on the basis of multiple, reliable, independent, published sources. A simple mention is not sufficient to establish notability. With certain exceptions (see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources), self-published sources such as personal Web sites, wikis, blogs, etc. are not generally regarded as reliable sources.
You should provide inline citations (usually done with footnotes) for statements that are likely to be challenged.

I see you have since added some more sources, including The Lonely Planet Guide, which is the way to go. Could you check whether you have given the correct page number? --Boson (talk) 13:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the suggestions. I will work on them. How does a micronation entry like Independent State of Rainbow Creek get approved with just two citations and I have eight?Horton225 (talk) 03:05, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is quite a lot more that could be said, but I would concentrate on a few points:

As far as meeting Wikipedia's notability guidelines goes, the sources need to be independent of the subject of the article.
Whether the subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines depends on whether appropriate sources exist, not necessarily on whether they are listed in the article, so once an article is on Wikipedia it may survive a proposal for deletion if reviewers are able to find appropriate sources.
With very limited exceptions, Wikipedia (like other wikis) may not be used as a "reliable source", so the reference to Wikipedia added after "West Who is a domestic dependent nation" is not appropriate. The link to the article is provided by the preceding wikilink. Quite apart from that, the Wikipedia article does not support the statement that West Who is a domestic dependent nation.
Citations must be verifiable. The first sentence of the article is currently "West Who or Republic of West Who is a micronation", referenced to "Ryan J, Dunford G, Sellars S. "Micronations". Lonely Planet (2006), p. 160. ISBN 1741047307." Could you provide a quotation from page 160 that substantiates the statement?

--Boson (talk) 12:13, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your help and am trying to reflect your suggestions in the West Who article. On page 4 and 5 in the Micronations book, it discusses what a micronation actually is. "So what is a micronation? The people in this book have decided, for various reasons, to create their own nations." The introduction discusses facets of micronations which apply to West Who. Horton225 (talk) 23:07, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia's policy on original research. This includes what is called "synthesis", the "analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources". You should cite "reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented". If the cited source merely defines a micronation but does not mention West Who, the source does not support the statement or implication that West Who is a micronation. If the citation is intended merely to support the definition of a micronation, this should be made clearer, but linking to the Micronation article should be sufficient to explain to the reader what is meant by micronation.--Boson (talk) 12:46, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: West Who (September 21)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Onel5969 was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability—see the general guideline on notability and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.
What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Horton225, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Your draft article, Draft:West Who[edit]

Hello, Horton225. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "West Who".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 1989 (talk) 10:14, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:West Who concern[edit]

Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:West Who, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

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Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:West Who[edit]

Hello, Horton225. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "West Who".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 10^Eleventeen 03:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]