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Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment[edit]
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Thanks for your work on Divine Child[edit]
Just wanted to send a message of thanks for your work on the Divine Child High School page. I am an alumni from 2016, and this is my service in giving back to the school that served me well. That is my own experience, as I know others may differ.
Best,
PSYCHREL PSYCHREL (talk) 02:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
@PSYCHREL: I can't say I recall working on the page: it appears I did some small edits which used automated tools over a year ago. You are quite welcome, though!
As much as it pains me to say this, if you went to the school, you probably shouldn't be editing the page. I fully realize the fact that you came here to say thanks, so I realize the irony in this request. However, you have a conflict of interest, and as such are discouraged from making any changes to the page. See our plain and simple guide to conflicts of interest for more information. Let me know if you have any questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 02:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Please hold on. Melchior Carneiro was never "Bishop of Macau". 219.77.182.250 (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
He was a bishop who worked in Macau but he was not Bishop of Macau. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 16:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to adjust the categorization of the article about him. HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Question from XeVierTech (12:03, 29 April 2024)[edit]
When can I remove citation needed info box in page? I added citations that were needed on the HarmonyOS Sans page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS_Sans#) --XeVierTech (talk) 12:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: you can learn about removing the box at Help:Maintenance template removal. In the VisualEditor, you should be able to click on the box and then click backspace. Let me know if you have any questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Question from XeVierTech (12:20, 29 April 2024)[edit]
Can you check my edits history and tell me if I made any mistakes? --XeVierTech (talk) 12:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: looks good to me! The only thing I would say is that this edit is probably not appropriate: you removed the maintenance tags without changing much of the article. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- What do you suggest I should do? XeVierTech (talk) 12:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: I would simply re-add the maintenance banners. One other thing I missed: please do not remove the "use mdy dates", "use Canadian English", etc. tags from articles. Unlike the "Citation needed" banner, they are permanent tags which should stay on the article so all editors know what style of English the article uses. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh okay I'm sorry XeVierTech (talk) 12:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: don't worry! It is impossible to "break" Wikipedia, and we all make mistakes. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay it should be fixed now. Let me know if I did It good. So I won't make mistakes in the future XeVierTech (talk) 12:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: you did it correctly :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. That's all for now I'll talk here later if I have any more questions XeVierTech (talk) 12:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: you did it correctly :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay it should be fixed now. Let me know if I did It good. So I won't make mistakes in the future XeVierTech (talk) 12:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: don't worry! It is impossible to "break" Wikipedia, and we all make mistakes. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh okay I'm sorry XeVierTech (talk) 12:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: I would simply re-add the maintenance banners. One other thing I missed: please do not remove the "use mdy dates", "use Canadian English", etc. tags from articles. Unlike the "Citation needed" banner, they are permanent tags which should stay on the article so all editors know what style of English the article uses. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- What do you suggest I should do? XeVierTech (talk) 12:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Question from XeVierTech (14:30, 29 April 2024)[edit]
How can I add an image into a wiki page? I want it to be under the logo showing homescreen --XeVierTech (talk) 14:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: which page do you want to add an image to? HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS here under the logo as screenshot depicting harmonyOS 4.2 GUI look XeVierTech (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: the first thing you would need to do is take a screenshot, making sure there is no
non-standard themes, third-party applications, or personally identifiable information
(quote taken from the documentation of the "infobox"). Then, you should upload the image to a file-sharing service such as Flickr or Imgur, and send me the link. (You would normally upload the image directly to Wikipedia, but accounts must be at least four days old to upload images.) Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)- i uploaded it to wikimedia XeVierTech (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HarmonyOS_4.2_Home_screen.jpg XeVierTech (talk) 14:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: Images are super confusing. Wikimedia Commons is for free content images only, which means they have to be available under terms which permit copying, modifying, and even selling copies by anyone. However, the screenshot you uploaded is of proprietary software, which means it is not free content. Therefore, it needs to be uploaded to Wikipedia itself. (Don't worry if this makes no sense; it takes a while to get the hang of files on Wikipedia!) I filed a request with an admin to move the file from Commons to the English Wikipedia (thanks Explicit!), and have added the image to the article. HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Will you keep me updated on that topic? XeVierTech (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: It should be all resolved now, but I will be sure to tell you of any updates :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, when I can add that picture to HarmonyOS page XeVierTech (talk) 15:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: I already added it. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- thank you I'll try to learn from your edit on what should I do when adding images XeVierTech (talk) 15:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: I already added it. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, when I can add that picture to HarmonyOS page XeVierTech (talk) 15:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: It should be all resolved now, but I will be sure to tell you of any updates :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Will you keep me updated on that topic? XeVierTech (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: Images are super confusing. Wikimedia Commons is for free content images only, which means they have to be available under terms which permit copying, modifying, and even selling copies by anyone. However, the screenshot you uploaded is of proprietary software, which means it is not free content. Therefore, it needs to be uploaded to Wikipedia itself. (Don't worry if this makes no sense; it takes a while to get the hang of files on Wikipedia!) I filed a request with an admin to move the file from Commons to the English Wikipedia (thanks Explicit!), and have added the image to the article. HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: the first thing you would need to do is take a screenshot, making sure there is no
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS here under the logo as screenshot depicting harmonyOS 4.2 GUI look XeVierTech (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Question from XeVierTech (17:22, 29 April 2024)[edit]
How can I upload a picture to wikipedia I the future? --XeVierTech (talk) 17:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @XeVierTech: you need to have an account which is four days old to upload images to Wikipedia. Once you do, see the file upload wizard for instructions. HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Our friend[edit]
apologies for the delay on this. I was offline a few days. Responding here since they seem to have settled and I don't want to stir them back up, but let me know if action is needed. Thanks for flagging. Star Mississippi 01:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi: Don't worry. Seems to have sorted itself :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 01:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Jonathan Baldwin Turner[edit]
Hello, HouseBlaster. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for Jonathan Baldwin Turner at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Question from AvisarTeam (10:40, 4 May 2024)[edit]
Hi, Could you please help me update the page of Tzvi Avisar. I need to add his first name Tziki so it suppose to be Tziki Tzvi Avisar. Thanks --AvisarTeam (talk) 10:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
@AvisarTeam: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! First, I would recommend you rename your account. "AvisarTeam" sounds like it represents a group of people, but shared accounts are strictly prohibited on Wikipedia. To do so, you can file a request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple.
Second, do you have a conflict of interest regarding Avisar? If so, you should disclose the connection for transparency.
With that out of the way, to move a page, see requested moves. However, we don't always use someone's full name as the page title. (For instance, we use Joe Biden, not Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.) We use the name most common in reliable sources. Do you have evidence that Avisar is usually called by his full name in reliable sources? Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins[edit]
Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:
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Hello! I spelled this artist’s name wrong Kretzschmar not Kretzchmar and now am trying to put his references from books. I’m having an issue with formatting. --Demsuz (talk) 16:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Demsuz: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I have gone ahead and renamed the page for you. I am not sure exactly what your question is regarding formatting. What issue are you having with formatting? HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot. I have this link https://iorr.org/albums/undercover-2.pdf
- and would like to learn how to format it to show his artwork is mentioned in this book and others. Demsuz (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
@Demsuz: I am afraid I am not sure exactly what you mean. Do you want to format it as a citation? If so, you can edit the draft using the VisualEditor and click the "cite" button.
I also have to ask: do you have a conflict of interest regarding Kretzschmar? You might have a conflict of interest if you know him personally or are being paid to write about him. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I was asking how to quote a book passage. I’ll discuss it in the talk page.
- I feel the artists who created Some Girls iconic album cover art have taken a direction into the realm of museum worthy art. Same for his partner who created the art for Physical Graffiti. Demsuz (talk) 22:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Demsuz: with all due respect, would you be able to answer my question: do you have a conflict of interest regarding Kretzschmar? You might have a conflict of interest if you know him personally or are being paid to write about him. Thanks, HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am not paid, not related, nor was I asked to edit here. I would like help in saving my edits so they meet the criteria and don’t get lost. I am also not able to properly list the books and just wanted to get it started so it could be well researched by others. Demsuz (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
@Demsuz: happy to hear you are a volunteer; that generally makes things much easier around here :)
To make sure your work does not go to waste, the number one thing we need to be sure of is whether Kretzschmar is wiki-notable. Wiki-notability has nothing to do with "fame" or "importance" – it is entirely a measure of coverage in independent, reliable sources. Do you have two or three reliable sources (we have a non-exhaustive list of source Wikipedia considers reliable/unreliable) which are independent of Kretzschmar (things like interviews or press releases are not independent) which cover Kretzschmar in detail? Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- If I quote from a book, is that allowed? Can you tell me if I researched enough to get this biography started? Demsuz (talk) 23:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Quoting is allowed, but it is generally better writing to paraphrase (taking care to avoid close paraphrasing). If you do quote, make sure you put the quote inside quotation marks and cite the book. As for if you did enough research, it looks like you have a fairly well-written article. However, I am not seeing enough coverage to indicate wiki-notability. Do you have two or three sources which are reliable (we have a non-exhaustive list of source Wikipedia considers reliable/unreliable), independent of Kretzschmar (things like interviews or press releases are not independent), and cover Kretzschmar in detail? HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your support and explanation. I cannot find him in news article. His name is credited on linear notes if there’s a question his art is widely known.
- https://www.analogplanet.com/content/rolling-stones-announce-tatoo-you-40th-anniversary-reissue Demsuz (talk) 02:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Demsuz: unfortunately, if you cannot find sources such as news articles, Kretzschmar does not qualify for an article and no amount of editing can fix this. Things qualify for articles on Wikipedia solely through significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. How well-known something is does not matter. HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I understand you are right altho I found he was in the AOL and Yahoo news fairly recently. I can move my information to the pages where he’s already mentioned if preferred. He is an internationally known artist with an enviable career. He made his most iconic art 30-40 years ago. Can you please teach me how to fix one book link? I have found 30 references and 1 won’t load properly. It’s easy to spot. Demsuz (talk) 12:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I understand you are right altho he was known best in a time before articles were searchable. I found a few archives. It’s this link in the third paragraph. I can’t seem to fix it. https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Rolling_Stones_All_the_Songs/g5eTCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Hubert+kretzschmar&pg=PT968&printsec=frontcover Demsuz (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Demsuz: what is the title and author of the book are you trying to cite? The link is not working for me either, but I have a few tricks I can use to locate a working link from the title and author. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like you fixed it. Thank you. I just found a good quote from there. “Hubert Kretzschmar (as was that of Tattoo You). The visuals created by Corriston and Kretzschmar are resolutely pop art. A naked woman whose face cannot be properly made out stands upright in a provocative pose before a blue lamé drape ...” https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Rolling_Stones_All_the_Songs/g5eTCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Hubert%20kretzschmar%20 Demsuz (talk) 18:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Demsuz: what is the title and author of the book are you trying to cite? The link is not working for me either, but I have a few tricks I can use to locate a working link from the title and author. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Demsuz: unfortunately, if you cannot find sources such as news articles, Kretzschmar does not qualify for an article and no amount of editing can fix this. Things qualify for articles on Wikipedia solely through significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. How well-known something is does not matter. HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Quoting is allowed, but it is generally better writing to paraphrase (taking care to avoid close paraphrasing). If you do quote, make sure you put the quote inside quotation marks and cite the book. As for if you did enough research, it looks like you have a fairly well-written article. However, I am not seeing enough coverage to indicate wiki-notability. Do you have two or three sources which are reliable (we have a non-exhaustive list of source Wikipedia considers reliable/unreliable), independent of Kretzschmar (things like interviews or press releases are not independent), and cover Kretzschmar in detail? HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am not paid, not related, nor was I asked to edit here. I would like help in saving my edits so they meet the criteria and don’t get lost. I am also not able to properly list the books and just wanted to get it started so it could be well researched by others. Demsuz (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Demsuz: with all due respect, would you be able to answer my question: do you have a conflict of interest regarding Kretzschmar? You might have a conflict of interest if you know him personally or are being paid to write about him. Thanks, HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi HouseBlaster and thanks for dedicating your time to mentoring! Recently, I've worked on a suggested article to add some sources, but it turns out that one of the sections is a verbatim copy pasting from one of the references' introduction. What should we do in this scenario? --Blosum62 (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Blosum62: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Which article are you talking about? In general, you should rephrase the content in your own words if possible, or else remove it outright. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 19:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's Peptide Loading Complex. Even though I'm a molecular biologist, this is an unknown protein complex to me, so it would take a lot of effort. What is the community opinion on using of ChatGPT for paraphrasing? I know it would take just 10-15 minutes to make it rewrite it and then check how it did. I'm fully aware that it's a malpractice to write the whole articles using LLMs, but in this case it would help tremendously. Blosum62 (talk) 11:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Blosum62: if you disclose you used ChatGPT (you can use the edit summary to do this), personally double-check the entire thing for factual accuracy, and ensure what is generated by ChatGPT is not plagiarizing a different source, that is okay. HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's Peptide Loading Complex. Even though I'm a molecular biologist, this is an unknown protein complex to me, so it would take a lot of effort. What is the community opinion on using of ChatGPT for paraphrasing? I know it would take just 10-15 minutes to make it rewrite it and then check how it did. I'm fully aware that it's a malpractice to write the whole articles using LLMs, but in this case it would help tremendously. Blosum62 (talk) 11:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-19[edit]
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Message from Creative Lizzie[edit]
Hello, House Blaster and Wikipedians!
I hope all is well with you and you are starting off to a good week
I was just looking the Morrill article over and was so impressed with this man.
He certainly made America a better place! So I was starting to look at his citations
to read a bit more about him and 4 citations went nowhere. I think the citations for him
need to be redone. Some could have been archived. I'm sure there is somebody out
here who would like to do that. This amazing American deserves the best support!!
Also, I still would like to see that one sentence related to Jonathan Baldwin Turner on the Morrill bio before the Land Grant info. Turner was another great American! Turner's early introduction of the land grant system on paper should be connected to Morrill. It was there long before Morrill presented his bill. There really is a lot of evidence that Turner was on the road speaking about the importance of the plan for Industrial colleges long before the bill was created and presented. There were several letters directed to Turner about how to set up an educational system in multi cities/states early on even in the 1840's. There is proof of this. More proof shows that with the Plan for an Industrial University document itself and the Granville convention. There was one sentence earlier in the Wikipedia Morrill bio that was relevant but not great about Turner and it was removed. I think Turner should have some reference in the Morrill bio and Land Grant Bill article itself. This is just history and the truth! It can all be verified. This does not have bias, but it's just truth.
We mustn't take sides with these two great men who added so much to our educational system. There are so many that came before us who gave us what we have today. Often changes were made by the effort of many people and their voices.
It would be nice to connect words with truth, honesty, other relationships and history. That is what I would like to see as a reader of an encyclopedic work. I believe a lot of things in our history are so interconnected to other people, times, events. For example, the snowball of the American Revolution started roling slowly but surely and eventually ended up in American freedom. This was not one man but many people who made this possible.
Probably in most cases a lot of bills had some kind of public support or lack of support early on in the presentation. Besides neutrality, honestly it would be nice to speak about what led up to this Morrill Land Grant bill. The bill had to be representative of the people and Jonathan Baldwin Turner was the very strong voice at the speaking at various towns/cities in Illinois, and speaking about his passions in a Plan for the Industrial Land Grant System. This is verified by the document itself and the record of the Granville Convention for Farmers.
Turner was recorded as talking with Lincoln after his connection at the Green family farm when he was a farm hand. Turner actually gave him an English book and we all know how Lincoln loved books!! That is where the friendship began and it was noted that Turner had dinner with Lincoln before he was shot at the theater.
The Land Grant bill was supposed to be presented by Stephen Douglas who passed away then fortunately Morrill then took over the presentation of the bill. So Morrill actually inherited the bill. This is not taking anything away from Morrill, who gave his heart to the passing of the Land Grant Bill!! The synthesis is that it is likely there was a lot of earlier support for the idea in Illinois but the bill had to be just right to pass!
Thank you for your time reading this, House Blaster and Wikipedians! Please get someone to take care of those citations and review them for Morrill. I appreciate your consideration of all these thoughts and thank you all for your time!
Creative Lizzie Creative Lizzie (talk) 23:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Creative Lizzie! Thank you for writing to my talk page instead of via email. In general, I volunteer to help newbies edit Wikipedia, but I don't really volunteer to take requests from newbies to edit Wikipedia on their behalf. I have added archives to the various citations in the article, which will hopefully fix the issues. If you want to write a bit for Justin S. Morrill (or any article related to the Land Grant System), you should use the Edit Request Wizard (an interactive form to make edit requests). You should click the "conflict of interest" button, and make sure you disclose that you are a descendant of Jonathan Baldwin Turner in the edit request. Let me know if you have any questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, House Blaster!
- Thank you for your info and support with this. I assume that I will be able to use my writing in the request from this talk page? Yes, I will be sure and inform them as to who I am as well as a longtime teacher of 40 years. As you said before conflict of interest is not always an issue when you have good editors.:)
- I'm glad you have the archives for the citations. I do think the citations should be checked out from top to bottom. I just caught this by accident wanted to learn more about his life.
- All the best,
- CL Creative Lizzie (talk) 23:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Creative Lizzie: You should absolutely feel free to borrow what you wrote here, though you probably want to keep your requests on the shorter side: there are literally hundreds of conflict of interest edit requests, and easier ones are generally reviewed earlier. By "easier", I mean incremental changes with concise rationales (a paragraph at absolute most). Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 00:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha! I have the tendency to be elaborate and verbose as you probably noticed!
- I appreciate that bit of information on being a more concise writer. I think I've learned a lot from Wikipedia and, of course, HouseBlaster! A paragraph it is! Now to compress my ideas.....!
- Many thanks for all you do!
- CL Creative Lizzie (talk) 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Creative Lizzie: of course, you should feel free to submit another edit request after your previous one has been processed. I would suggest you make a request to add a single sentence with a citation, and then another, and then another, etc. HouseBlaster (he/him) 00:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- OK, I am on it and will make it simple.
- Thank you for the info, HB. U R the best! Creative Lizzie (talk) 17:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Creative Lizzie: of course, you should feel free to submit another edit request after your previous one has been processed. I would suggest you make a request to add a single sentence with a citation, and then another, and then another, etc. HouseBlaster (he/him) 00:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Creative Lizzie: You should absolutely feel free to borrow what you wrote here, though you probably want to keep your requests on the shorter side: there are literally hundreds of conflict of interest edit requests, and easier ones are generally reviewed earlier. By "easier", I mean incremental changes with concise rationales (a paragraph at absolute most). Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 00:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)