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16:05, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

October 2019

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Alan Morrison (poet), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Melcous (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove material from this page again without giving a good reason. I did cite reliable sources for at least two of the items. Explain to me how these are not reliable sources: I gave links to the pages of the appropriate awards listed. [Hyperkulturemia]

Links to wikipedia articles are not sources. See WP:RS for what is a reliable source. And you would need a source for each award. Melcous (talk) 23:04, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am in the process of giving external links for the awards before you took it upon yourself to remove the list yet again. Please desist from doing this, you need to give me the opportunity to find the right links! I am relatively new to this so still finding my feet. [Hyperkulturemia]

And another thing, you have now removed the award which was already on the page before I started adding the other ones! Why did you remove that one? And you do not a source for every single award listed -look at this poet's list of awards and tell me WHERE are the sources? [Hyperkulturemia]

Okay, maybe you need to slow down. The content can be added back if and when there are reliable sources provided, so there is no need to give you more time, there is plenty of time. Please read my edit summaries which clearly state why things have been removed. The one award that was there included an external link, which are not allowed within articles, and the link could not function as a reference, because it linked to a 404-error message, meaning it did not verify the content. Yes, every award needs a source, otherwise it should not be included in the article - again read this page which outlines one of wikipedia's core guidelines. Finally, please "sign" your posts on talk pages by including four tildes (~ this symbol) at the end. thank you Melcous (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and I"m not sure what article you are referring to when you said "this poet's list of awards", but if you mean there is another article on wikipedia with unsourced awards, first see WP:OSE (the fact that there are problems elsewhere is not a good reason for keeping them somewhere else), and second, if that is the case, they should either be verified by reference to reliable, independent, secondary sources or the content removed. Thank you Melcous (talk) 23:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then perhaps you'd like to remove that content too...? Either that or leave be. It is unfair to remove things one page but not from others. I have no idea what you mean by sourcing awards other than giving external links to the appropriate award-granting bodies. What more do you expect? Look at most poets' Wikipedia pages and they list awards with no sources. I gave you a link to a Wiki page showing this so kindly look at it [Hyperkulturemia].

Hyperkulturemia, Wikipedia has nearly 6 million articles. While we try to ensure that all of the content is well sourced and verifiable, that is not possible as we are all volunteers with lives outside of this project. What we do, as volunteers, is ensure that new content added is supported by reliable sources in order to allow our readers to verify the content. If there are articles were information had been added without sources, then we need to improve those articles, not ignore our need for reliable sourcing. This is especially important when editing our biographies of living persons. Please do read through the various policies I've linked in my message, I think you will find them quite useful. Also, please make use of the article talk pages if you find yourself in a content dispute with other editors. You can read more about this here.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:38, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to if I had any idea which other article you were talking about - you have not linked to any wiki pages here. I have again edited the Morrison article, turning the one link that does verify the listed award into a reference, and removing those that do not. Again can I suggest you slow down. Find a reference that actually says this person won this particular award, and then add back that award, with that link included as a reference, not as an external link. Smaller, well made edits are much less likely to get reverted. And finally, please sign your posts. Melcous (talk) 23:28, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your last edit restoring the exact same problems noted already is what is called edit warring and can lead you to being banned from editing here. Please stop and follow the advice you have been given. Melcous (talk) 23:30, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Look, online lists of recipients of Royal Literary Fund awards and Arts Council awards and S of A awards simply do not exist, only the websites of those grant-giving bodies, hence the links I have provided. So you are missing the point. Also, here is the link to the poet's page I mentioned, where you can see she has a long list of awards but only one is sourced: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Sampson. Please do not keep removing these. Your intransigence is exasperating [Hyperkulturemia].

I'm sorry, but it seems you are missing the point of how wikipedia works. If there is no source saying that this particular person won a particular award, then that particular award cannot be included in the article, that's it. And again, you have not correctly signed your post. Starting editing at wikipedia can be confusing, there is a lot to learn, so the best thing to do is slow down, read the linked guidelines and help pages, and then make small edits one at a time, so that you can do things in ways that will stay here. Thank you Melcous (talk) 23:41, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks for the link to Fiona Sampson, I have removed the long list of unsourced awards from that article. Perhaps another editor will work on finding sources for them so they can be re-added. Melcous (talk) 23:44, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 2019

Please stop adding unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did on Alan Morrison (poet). This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Melcous (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop removing information from this page without giving good enough reasons. Why have you removed whole sections from this page? I did source what I could. You are basically vandalising this page. I ask you to desist from doing this. [Hyperkulturemia]