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Emley

Hello. Please respect WP:BRD; if an edit you made is reverted, you should discuss and attempt to gain consensus for it rather than make the same edit again.

Your edits to the article are misleading. The current club was not founded in 1903, and co-existed with the old Emley club after it had been remaned Wakefield. This is like trying to claim AFC Wimbledon is a continuation of Wimbledon. Thanks. Number 5 7 12:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aplogies for not contacting you first, though I would argue you should also contact me before reverting an article.

I am an official at Emley AFC. We have been in discussions with the FA, Sheffield and Hallamshire FA and Northern Counties East League. They have agreed that Emley AFC has as much of a connection with the old club as the now defunct Wakefield FC since both stemmed from the old Emley FC. AFC Emley was born out of the reserve team at the club which had continued to play at the Welfare Ground. When the first team became Wakefield FC and broke all ties with the old Emley (colours, badge, HQ) it effectively also became a new club. Indeed you could argue that it actually became a new club when it became a limited company in 2002. The old Emley FC had several restarts in its early years, splitting to become Emley Juniors and Emley United at one point. The Wimbledon case it quite different in that there was no clear line of continuity from the old club to the new one and the old one is still in existence as MK Dons. Besides all this it makes no sense from a history point of view that Emley's football history is documented on a page that refers to Wakefield FC, or that the honours that were won as Emley FC are listed as Wakefield's. Wakefield FC only came into being in 2005/6 and is now defunct, so people looking for the history of Emley AFC would naturally go to that wikipedia page. Irm2204 (talk) 13:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is already a link from the current Emley club page to the Wakefield one. I don't think it can really be denied that the original Emley and Wakefield are the same club – it was just moved and renamed. Forcing together the history of the original and current Emleys doesn't work, as there is overlap in the timeline.

If you're an official at the club you should not be editing the article as you have a WP:Conflict of interest. However, you are welcome to make suggestions on the talk page for improvement though. Cheers, Number 5 7 13:26, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I guess the 'conflict of interest' clause excludes me from making any changes to the Emley and Wakefield web sites. Thanks for your help. Irm2204 (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken your suggestion to put something on the Emley AFC talk page suggesting that actually Emley's split should be consistent with how Wimbledon's split is handled on wikipedia. This preserves the links both clubs have with the original Emley FC and is factually correct. As I stated previously Emley AFC actually have more close connections with the original Emley FC than AFC Wimbledon have with Wimbledon FC, so it seems reasonable that the old Emley FCs history should be documented under the name of Emley FC rather than Wakefield FC.

I hope you will read it and let me know your views. Irm2204 (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]