User talk:Kudpung/Archive Oct 2018
The Signpost: 1 October 2018
[edit]See also: Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-01/From_the_editor. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Jake Mason
[edit]Many years ago you salted Jake Mason after multiple speedy deletions of a TV producer. I have created a page for a notable musician who has the same name. The two people appear unconnected. Could you possibly unsalt this title so I can mave Jake Mason (musician) there as the primary topic. Thanks. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, Kudpung can't help at the moment, but let me have a look. WormTT(talk) 13:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Duffbeerforme:, I've removed the salting, it's been a while so hopefully it will be ok. I've looked at the article and the notability seems borderline to me, you might want to see if you can find a few more sources! WormTT(talk) 13:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hi @Duffbeerforme and Worm That Turned:,, I am currently on Wikileave and do not have access to admin tools. . I would suggest however, that you find several more substantial references from truly in-depth sources. The one you have provided appears to be basically an interview and a promotion for a release. The claim to an award nomination also does not appear to be covered. As a BLP it's likely to be slated for deletion when it goes to mainspace even though you are autopatrolled. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Primary source for nomination [1]. A good independent source will soon follow and will be added to the article. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:45, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed. There seems to be 2-3 sources anticipating his solo career, so I'm sure there's an article here. As Kudpung points out, it's likely to end up as a plausible deletion, but I'm sure you can manage that. As for Kudpung, hope you're well. Feel free to drop me a line :) WormTT(talk) 13:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Primary source for nomination [1]. A good independent source will soon follow and will be added to the article. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:45, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
I have pinged you in an ANI thread
[edit]Hi Kudpung, I hope this finds you in good spirits. I realize that you are no longer very active on Wikipedia, and that you have resigned as an administrator, however I have pinged you in an ANI thread as you had participated in the two previous threads about the same issue. The current thread is here (unless it has been archived by the time you see this message): WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Francis_Schonken STILL edit-warring on issue he was just blocked six weeks for. -- Softlavender (talk) 06:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Lehrter Strasse
[edit]Seit langem, habe ich mich immer beabsichtigt , einen en.Wiki-Artikel für diese berühmte Straße in BLN zu schaffen, wo ich einst einer ihrer Bewohner war, in der Nähe der Propellerkneipe (eigentlich eine privat Wohnung in Wilmersdorf), Oscars Stahlfabrik, Mehlwums Lagerhaus für Kaugummis, der Kulturzentrum, der COMA Folterkammer, und der Lehrtergefãngnis. Wenn jemand mich kontaktieren möchte, um bei diesem Projekt zu helfen, wäre ich sehr dankbar. Bitte erstellen Sie einen Wikipedia-Account entweder auf en.Wiki oder de.Wiki, wenn Sie keinen haben, dann sende mir per Wikipedia email dein Benutzername mit, damit wir E-Mails austauschen können. Danke vielmals im voraus. (Benutzer mit der BLN IP-Nummer bitte hier klicken).
I have always been intending to create an en.Wiki article for this famous street in BLN where I was once one of its residents near the Propeller Bar (actually a private flat in Wilmersdorf), Oscar's steel factory, Mehlwum's chewing gum warehouse, the culture centre, and the COMA torture chamber and the prison. If any one would like to contact me to help with this project, I would be much obliged. Please create a Wikipedia account if you do not have one so that we can exchange emails. Many thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:56, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Halloween cheer!
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Hello Kudpung:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
– —usernamekiran(talk) 06:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- I am glad you are not completely gone from wikipedia. —usernamekiran(talk) 06:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
October 2018
[edit]Nothing to see here. Let's move on
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You're continuing to derail the thread. Please just respond to the complaint
@Softlavender:, you know full well that WP:DTTR is only an essay and you can't "violate" an essay, therefore this is a deliberate attempt at deception and intimation that grossly violates the five pillars of WP, particularly as you are "helping" an experienced editor who clearly does not need it, especially since as we all know he is part of an Illuminati-esque cabal of admins here who can't be touched, and as such you really should be assisting the editor here who clearly needs it, as they are young, inexperienced, and perhaps a little volatile, but that is certainly understandable with these circumstances and therefore I demand you strike your comments, apologize and accept a 24 hour block to reflect on your actions. Sincerely - L'enfant du Loup 10:53, 18 October 2018 (UTC) (btw - Kudpung, I hear the 2012 Ventoux has a beautiful mix of plum and raspberry with a hint of chocolate! Thanks for reminding me, I need to pick up a bottle. Cheers!)
Break[edit]Let's try this again. First, Softlavender, while your intentions might be noble, the effect of trying to rush to Kudpung's defense has really just been to muddy the waters, so I'm asking that you please just stay out and let him respond directly. Second, Kudpung, your comment,
ANI notice[edit]
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FYI
[edit]This. Thought you should know... Cheers - wolf 17:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Wolf, along with his recent edit summary which should be suppressed, this is another issue that appears to demonstrate that he does not intend to maintain a collaborative spirit. Refactoring others' comments is a big no no. I would have blocked by now, but even if I had my tools, I wouldn't be able to due to WP:INVOLVED - that's another thing admins have to bear. I think it's best just to drop it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with all your comments, including the bit about "dropping it". I reverted once because I disagreed with him not only changing someone else's comments, but doing it on yet another someone else's talk page. He reverted me, but I had no interest in getting involved any further beyond that (not going to get in an edit war over something that doesn't involve me). I figured I'd let you know about it and move on. But, with that said, I see that someone else has since reverted him again, restoring your comment.
- Funny how things work on WP. Sometimes people pop out of the blue to support you, sometimes they pop out of blue just to lose their shit all over you. >cough!<R>cough!<f>cough!<A>cough!< Sorry... nasty chest cold. Anyway, take it easy. Cheers - wolf 01:58, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Wolf, defecating on admins is a sport that some enjoy - even prolific contributors to FA. (some of whom have the Guiness Book of Records for the longest block logs). That, and the constant drama at RfA are the reasons why editors of the right calibre are not in a hurry to want to be admins nowadays. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
New Page Review backlog
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Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Backlog_chart_2 might also be of use to you (less frequently updated but has no data excluded, so shows the full history that I have of the backlog to late 2016). — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:34, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Remind me...
[edit]Kudz - my brain is overloaded - did you tell me that when an article in the NPP queue was marked for deletion it should or should not be marked as reviewed? Atsme✍🏻📧 19:27, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Atsme: Oh this... Well, we decided a while back that you should if you were willing to follow it on PROD/CSD logs, and that AfDs always should, but that was to get them out of the way of people because the 'nominated for deletion' filter didn't work. We need to have another discussion about this now that you can filter out Deletion tagged articles, and also request that the page curation tools NOT auto-review deletion tagged articles if we decide that way. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 06:44, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- The problem is that normally when using Curation, a deletion tag automatically marks the page as patrolled so that it doesn't get patrolled again, but the tag leaves a 'no index' tag on the page. Now I'm not sure that happens when using Twinkle - aye there's the rub, we should all be using Curation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: Yes, Twinkle DOES auto-patrol articles when tagging them with CSD (not sure about AfD ect, but I assume so). I've been meaning to poll people on this since the filtering for 'nominated for deletion' was recently added, as I think we can do better by having these pages (CSD and PROD) not marked as 'reviewed'. Atsme's question just reminded me. See: Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Should_we_stop_marking_articles_tagged_with_CSD_and_PROD_as_'reviewed'_now_that_we_can_filter_them_in_the_NewPagesFeed?. If the community agrees, then I'll request that the curation tool and Twinkle both be updated to not automatically mark pages as patrolled when placing CSD/PRDO tags. I can then also very simply 'unreview' all the articles currently tagged with CSD and PROD by filtering 'reviewed' and 'Nominated for Deletion' in the New Page Feed and running through them. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 12:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks - I'll comment at the reviewer's page. Atsme✍🏻📧 13:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Managing COI
[edit]Thanks for your comment. I am aware of the COI guidelines and have, all along, tried to keep those in mind. There is not a single statement in the page that is not referenced in verifiable third-party sources, both published or available on the web or both. A robot could have written this. However, it does not seem likely that the Wikipedia community or at least some individuals within it will ever accept this page on those grounds. I therefore plan to delete it. Let someone else give it a try. Pmuehlen (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
- Pmuehlen: Replied on your talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:47, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง: The notoriety criteria contain much that leaves room for subjective interpretation. Importantly, Wikipedia's arbiters should have some minimal knowledge of and experience in the fields covered in a given subject's page. This is relevant because you cite Bradv. As you are aware,Bradv famously missed some years ago that Donna Strickland, recipient of the 2018 physics Nobel Prize, was, by any measure, already notable in 1985. The explanations on his Wikipedia page demonstrate that robotic application of rules is not necessarily good. Pmuehlen (talk) 18:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Pmuehlen: sorry to butt in, but Bradv carried out rather more checks than you yourself carried out on the draft article about Donna Strickland. From the sources that I have examined, it appears that you (Pmuehlen) did not take any steps at all to approve or move forward the draft article about Donna Strickland when it was submitted. You admit here that Strickland was "already notable in 1985", so, Pmuehlen, why were you so remiss in not making sure that a Wikipedia article about her was approved? MPS1992 (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Pmuehlen: Those of us working in the field of article quality, or accepting or rejecting submissions of new articles, are generally very experienced in Wikipedia notability criteria and there is very little room for 'subjective interpretation'; Wikipedia is a big machine, it's got over 5 million articles and it's been going for 18 years which is more than enough to get it right. Reviewers don't need to have any subject knowledge in order to apply these criteria. Citing the Strickland affair and Bradv here is a straw man argument, but you can read all about it in several articles, including one from Bradv himself, in the next issue of The Signpost due to be released in the next day or two.
- We understand your disappointment in your draft not being accepted for now and If you wish to continue this discussion, please do so on your talk page where I had replied. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)