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NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018[edit]

Hello Insertcleverphrasehere, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news
As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.
Moving to Draft and Page Mover
  • Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
  • If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
  • Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
  • The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
  • The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.
List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

  • Twinkle provides a lot of the same functionality as the page curation tools, and some reviewers prefer to use the Twinkle tools for some/all tasks. It can be activated simply in the gadgets section of 'preferences'. There are also a lot of options available at the Twinkle preferences panel after you install the gadget.
  • In terms of other gadgets for NPR, HotCat is worth turning on. It allows you to easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions.
  • MoreMenu also adds a bunch of very useful links for diagnosing and fixing page issues.
  • User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js(info): Installing scripts doesn't have to be complicated. Go to your common.js and copy importScript( 'User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js' ); into an empty line, now you can install all other scripts with the click of a button from the script page! (Note you need to be at the ".js" page for the script for the install button to appear, not the information page)
  • User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js(info): Creates a scrolling new pages list at the left side of the page. You can change the number of pages shown by adding the following to the next line on your common.js page (immediately after the line importing this script): npp_num_pages=20; (Recommended 20, but you can use any number from 1 to 50).
  • User:Primefac/revdel.js(info): Is requesting revdel complicated and time consuming? This script helps simplify the process. Just have the Copyvio source URL and go to the history page and collect your diff IDs and you can drop them into the script Popups and it will create a revdel request for you.
  • User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js(info): Creates a "Page Curation" link to Special:NewPagesFeed up near your sandbox link.
  • User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js: Creates links next to the title of each page which show up if it has been previously deleted or nominated for deletion.
  • User:Evad37/rater.js(info): A fantastic tool for adding WikiProject templates to article talk pages. If you add: rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; to the next line on your common.js, the prompt will pop up automatically if a page has no Wikiproject templates on the talk page (note: this can be a bit annoying if you review redirects or dab pages commonly).

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR newsletter[edit]

The newsletter last month had an awesome auto-updating chart. Why isn't it on the one that was just sent out? Also, the new newsletter is a bit too big in my opinion. Just my $0.02. L293D ( • ) 19:24, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Glad you liked it, I'll work to include it in future versions and keep the size a bit smaller. You seem to have answered your own question though, I didn't have room for it. Thanks for the currency. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 19:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
One thought might be to make more use of the collapsable parts like you did with the scripts which I thought was great - I know that this newsletter felt "long" compared to other NPR newsletters and especially in comparison to other newsletters I see (admin, tech update, etc). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Your flowchart[edit]

I've been using your super helpful flowchart for a long time, and I've been curious why you put "Does the article contain a credible claim of significance or importance?" BEFORE "Does a Google search turn up any reliable sources?". In my experience, regardless of how bad quality an article is, it's always better to perform a Google search and see if it's notable; of course, there are exceptions, such as attack pages. Per WP:ATD-E, if a page can be edited to avoid deletion, that's preferred. Therefore, if a page doesn't make a claim of significance or have reliable sources, but a Google search turns up reliable sources, it should be tagged for needing more sources or moved to draftspace, but deleting it wouldn't be right. I suggest you switch the order of the significance/importance bubble and the Google search RS bubble, but I'd be happy to bring this up at WT:NPR if you would like to view the opinions of a wider audience. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 22:47, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

@SkyGazer 512: A7 doesn't require a notability search before CSD, as long as there is no claim of significance. We used to get a ton of these before ACTRIAL, and the CSD criteria was chosen to limit wasted reviewer time; "XXXXXXX is a student in YYYYYY high school and hopes to be a ... someday". These don't require a search. To be honest, post ACTRIAL, we don't get a ton of these any more, and what few A7s are available are more borderline to the point that doing a search is probably advised. "Contains a credible claim of significance or importance" is a bit open to interpretation, like, I generally wouldn't A7 a company without doing a BEFORE search, unless the entire content was something like "XXXXXX is a coffee shop in (middle of nowhere)". Doing WP:BEFORE searches for everything would be great, but does cut into review time. As always, it is up to the reviewer if they want to put in the extra work, but I think that with regards to A7 the flowchart reflects current CSD policy about what is required at minimum. Thanks for bringing this up though, and I'm keen to discuss further if you are. I've got some planned updates to the flowchart coming anyway (remove 'mark as reviewed' for deletion options, as the bug has been fixed in the feed, and changing PROD to "PROD preferable to AfD?"). — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 23:15, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
While your reasoning certainly makes sense, I'm not necessarily sure I agree in all cases. I don't think we should use "the current article doesn't currently say that it's important or signifcant" as an excuse to delete a notable topic. Maybe it would be better to have a bubble for if the article contains any useful prose at all that could be used in an article, then the article should be tagged or draftified, and otherwise just blow it all up and start over? I do understand what you're saying though - if you have "John Smith is a cool 12-year old dude who rides a skateboard" but it turns out that many reliable sources say that he won some skateboard world record, deleting it and recreating it is probably the best option. However, we don't get much of this in the feed. Possible A7 candidates are mostly just obviously non-notable OR they have useful and accurate prose, but don't cite reliable sources or have a claim of significance. If the second is the case, I don't think they should be deleted.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 23:27, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
In regards to the second part, will we officially change the NPP policy so that PRODded or CSDd articles should not be marked as reviewed? If so, Twinkle will need to be updated, as currently it marks any page as patrolled once it has a deletion template placed on it.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 23:29, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
@SkyGazer 512: From our last discussion it seems that there was consensus that if the bug could be fixed, that it would be preferable that way. I agree that a discussion will need to be had regarding it, and I think we should wait until changes to the new page feed are complete before we make a final decision. The flowchart will be changed afterwards. My preference will be that so long as deletion tagged articles are in a separate section of the new page feed, they should not be marked as reviewed (that way if the author removes the PROD tag, it will go back into the feed by default for a re-review). We can default this by making the feed automatically treat any page with a deletion tag as 'unreviewed'. There will likely be a few technical hurdles to overcome, but it will help greatly in closing some of the cracks that things fall through. 00:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

New Page patrol[edit]

I would like to become a New Page reviewer in wikipedia. I saw you in WP:NPP/S as a trainer. If you like, kindly please help me.--PATH SLOPU (Talk) 08:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Path slopu Thanks for your interest in New Page Patrol. I'd love to, and normally would, but unfortunately am heading off on holiday where I will have limited internet access over the next few weeks (literally about to board the flight), and won't be able to help on WP much until mid October. I'd suggest asking at WT:NPR instead. Cheers, — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 09:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 October 2018[edit]

Administrators' newsletter – October 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018).


Administrator changes

added JustlettersandnumbersL235
removed BgwhiteHorsePunchKidJ GrebKillerChihuahuaRami RWinhunter

Interface administrator changes

added Cyberpower678Deryck ChanOshwahPharosRagesossRitchie333

Oversight changes

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Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
  • Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.


  • The Arbitration Committee has, by motion, amended the procedure on functionary inactivity.
  • The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
  • Following a request for comment, the size of the Arbitration Committee will be decreased to 13 arbitrators, starting in 2019. Additionally, the minimum support percentage required to be appointed to a two-year term on ArbCom has been increased to 60%. ArbCom candidates who receive between 50% and 60% support will be appointed to one-year terms instead.
  • Nominations for the 2018 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission are being accepted until 12 October. These are the editors who help run the ArbCom election smoothly. If you are interested in volunteering for this role, please consider nominating yourself.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:13, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog is up to 45 days[edit]

And in reality there are a bunch of articles even older than that by virtue of accepted AfCs or former redirects which have been sitting in the queue for a while. Not sure when the right time is to see if there's more support to trying to head-off a problem before it becomes intractable as we approach 90 (60 days might be the right cut-off) but I thought I would note this new "milestone". Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:38, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Reality is pages just age out and get indexed. Maybe that is not a bad thing beause by time they get that far a few NPP have looked at them but been too unsure to approve but not willing to seek deletion. Legacypac (talk) 02:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
@Barkeep49: I'm aware of the issue, I just got back from holiday but I'll post a backlog update soon at NPP/R and some adverts around requesting help. That isn't a solution Legacypac. The reality is that we are falling behind amd need to catch up. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 03:28, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Stanley Kubrick Collapsible Infobox RFC[edit]

Stanley Kubrick
KubrickForLook (cropped).jpg
Stanley Kubrick, aged 21, self-portrait from 1949
Biographical data
Born (1928-07-26)July 26, 1928
The Bronx, New York City, USA
Died March 7, 1999(1999-03-07) (aged 70)
St Albans, Hertfordshire, England
Nationality American
Occupation Film director, producer, screenwriter, cinematographer, editor
Years active 1951–1999
Spouse(s) Toba Etta Metz (1948–51; divorced)
Ruth Sobotka (1954–57; divorced)
Christiane Harlan (1958–99; his death)
Awards Filmography and awards of Stanley Kubrick

Hey @Insertcleverphrasehere:!

I would still like to work with you on creating an RCF for a collapsible infobox on the Stanley Kubrick page. My last discussion was archived (editor said there was too much personal commentary?) and I would like to create a more productive avenue for making this happen. I know you said you were out for some time so please get back to me when you can!

Thanks very much!

Willydrach (talk) 15:18, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Willydrach,
I'd be happy to help. I've been a bit busy as I just landed in a new country (moved halfway round the world) and am also catching up on some New Page Patrol stuff that I neglected when I was on holiday. I'm not really sure whether the 'personal commentary' bit of the close was commenting about you or refering to others commentary about you, but it doesn't really matter.
On topic: I don't think that we should actually include an infobox as part of the proposal, as people can get bogged down in the specifics, but if pressed I think the example at the right might work. It is also probably better If I launch it, rather than you launching it yourself. I've put together an idea in the collapsed box below. Let me know what you think and if you are agreeable, I'll launch it whenever you are ready. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 14:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
(watching:) I am all for infoboxes (as you probably know), but not for collapsed ones, because the defy the very purpose of an infobox: make something available at first glance. I have a friend who is handicapped and has trouble clicking the "show" button. I stared at the side navboxes in some operas (Rinaldo (opera), for example) without even realizing that there was something collapsed, for years! Summary: why not go for a normal infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Because its been tried, and failed to gain consensus. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 16:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
When? Who opposed? Are they still editing? - A bad compromise (Sinatra) is not a good model ;) - In German we say "keine halben Sachen", don't know that in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
RfC Proposal

RfC: Should a collapsible infobox be added to this page?[edit]

Background: The most recent infobox RfC on this talk page concluded with 70% support for some kind of infobox, but with 17% in favour of only a default-collapsed infobox, it was ultimately closed as no consensus. The closer suggested a future RfC on the inclusion of a collapsible infobox as a possible next step. Let's try and have a civil RfC on this so we can establish the consensus on whether a collapsible infobox can serve as a compromise.

Question: Should a collapsible infobox be added to this page?

Regards, — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 14:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)