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Phosphatodraco

Hey. Would you be able to review the Phosphatodraco FAC? LittleJerry (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I am not able to review the Phosphatodraco FAC or any other FACs for that matter. It's because I have not gained any experience in making FACs, so no, I cannot review it. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 01:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

AT&T reversion?

Could you explain why you reverted my AT&T SportsNet edit at 2023 in American television? 100.7.44.80 (talk) 16:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Storyboard Section Removals

As per Alex 21, storyboard credits for Gravity Falls and The Owl House had been removed. I was also thinking of removing storyboard credits to some other shows despite being in front of the episode. With that, can you please remove the storyboard credits in List of Amphibia episodes? That show also has most of the GF crew involved. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:25, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Who were they added by, the 69 IP? Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 21:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

They we’re in the title cards, but keep in mind that those credits can clutter the list; and despite them being next to the directors and writers on the GF credits; Alex removed them because their clutter. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:38, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding storyboard artists for Futurama.

Excuse me Magnatyrannus. Can you please add the storyboard artists back for the rest of Futurama (season 2-7)? I wasn't trying to start an edit war or mess around with wikipedia. At least you approved the change for season 1 since I mentioned that if you revert the change back to the way it was, mistakes could happen such as writers that didn't get their own pages (Evan Gore and Heather Lombard) and missing directors (Ashley Lenz and Chris Sauve co-directed Fear of a Bot Planet, the same episode that Gore and Lombard wrote). 69.255.225.138 (talk) 16:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

As long as you discuss your edits on the article concerned, then maybe I'll be able to reinstate your edits. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 20:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I worked very hard on finding storyboard credits. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

No problem, and I understand that it took so long for you to research that. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 21:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#"Storyboard artists/animation directors" in episode lists concerning not adding this information; the editor is well aware of this discussion. Time of research is irrelevant; the content is fancruft and if the IP editor continues their edits, they'll likely be blocked again for edit-warring. -- Alex_21 _TALK 13:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I didn't know about the discussion. Will revert their edits if they continue. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 21:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

The IP editor is still adding them on various animated sitcoms, claiming you approve them. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

The reason why I let him reinstate the storyboard credits is because I thought that he was able to show that the changes were verifiable and that they have independent reasons for making such edits. Oh well, if the Wikipedia does not benefit it, then I shall revert. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 02:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Not only that they have been adding them for a while now since August 2022 on all the seasons of Family Guy and The Simpsons. Even before the recent discussion, there is a general consensus to not include them per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 33#"Storyboard" parameters which was just last year. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I also wanted to point out that for The Simpsons, they got the storyboard credits from Wikisimpsons which is not even a reliable source. Please see which they said they got them from Wikisimpsons. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

How is Wikisimpsons not a reliable source? Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 21:09, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Because it is a user-contributed website. Just like Wikia which is also not a reliable source. — YoungForever^(talk) 21:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Well then if Wikia is not a reliable source, then what reliable sources for TV shows can be used? Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 22:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:TVFAQ. On-screen credits are covered by watching the episode itself after the episode has been released or aired. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

But what if the storyboard credits were sourced from the end credits of the show? Would they still be citeable? Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 22:22, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

They would be citeable. However, there is still no consensus to add storyboard credits on the episode table as said repeatedly. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:44, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Alex 21: as well. The IP address editor is still edit warring on multiple articles. — YoungForever^(talk) 14:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I tried to ask some of my editors to add these artists back but I failed to do that. What is another way I can try to ask them and then maybe they can agree with me to add them back? 69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Sure one user mentioned that if its sourced from the credits, it is source-able but I can't do that since no concencus of adding storyboard artists have happened yet. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh well, I'll explain to you tomorrow. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 01:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

A consensus essentially means a majority of participants agree on a particular viewpoint. One can also reach consensus by compromise. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 21:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

As said by multiple editors, WP:DEADHORSE. The IP address editor's behavior of being dead set to add storyboard credits on the episode table and their refusal to drop it and move on are considered to be disruptive at this point. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I know that YoungForever but Magnatyrannus actually said that I need to reach a consensus by compromise. Meaning that the Wikipedia group members develop and then have to agree to support a decision in the best interest of the whole. But you keep saying I failed. Maybe Magnatyrannus actually have a point on this. The users need to agree before I can do that. Also YoungForever, stop saying I'm disruptive. Remember I got blocked for that reason due to editing over 100 articles in a one day? I don't want to be blocked again, okay? Magnatyrannus actually have a point. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

As said by multiple editors, you have failed to change the established consensus. So, your refusal to drop it and move on is disruptive. You can't make nor force people to change their minds. That's not how Wikipedia works nor how the real world works. — YoungForever^(talk) 00:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I would not want to be blocked again for being disruptive either. Sometimes, you've just got to learn to accept consensus. When people say "no", that means "no". Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 00:28, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

How can I accept it? I read that you can't edit a consensus, so how can I find a way so the editors will agree? There are no videos on how to do this on YouTube so I do need help how to do it. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

As said by multiple editors, you seriously need to let go and move on. — YoungForever^(talk) 00:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Maybe convincing them of your position or trying to get more editors involved would be one way to get others to agree with you. But as all the other editors have stated, continuing to force other editors to stick with what you want to include is not helping, so if you refuse to abide by the consensus, and then repeatedly revert to your preferred version, then that's failure to get the point. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 00:44, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Just an FYI, canvassing and forum shopping (which this IP address editor is currently doing) with your personal viewpoints are inappropriate and will get you block. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

They are not "my" personal viewpoints, they are merely suggestions for the IP to get a consensus. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 01:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

No, no, that's not what I meant. I meant, canvassing and forum shopping (which this IP address editor is currently doing) with personal viewpoints in general are inappropriate and will get you block. I am sorry that I was not clear. If the IP address editor decided to restore the storyboard credits on the episode tables, they would be reverted and most likely get blocked as this clearly shows they are not abiding by consensus. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:29, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I cannot get more editors involved because I failed. YoungForever is literally forcing me to give up and move on but Magnatyrannus is actually helping me what to do. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Look, I am not the only one told you that you should seriously let go and move on. Multiple editors told you that and WP:DEADHORSE which clearly shows you are not getting it at all. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

If you can't stand the thought of others not agreeing with you, then maybe you should just let the situation go and not talk about it again. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 01:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I know it's hard to move on but I getting at a point that I'm getting very annoyed about YoungForever repeating the same comments about moving on over and over again. I'm not trying to argue and make it worse. All I need it to invite other editors to start an agreement but if ask again, you are going to just repeat the same comment again. I'm so sorry I keep asking about the same thing YoungForever. Can you forgive me and can you finally leave me alone? If this conversation continues, I'm only going to talk to the other users that isn't YoungForever. I'm not saying that I outright hate you, its just you keep repeating the same comment. Once this problem is finally resolved, I won't talk about it anymore, okay? 69.255.225.138 (talk) 02:03, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

It has been resolved, you are just refusing to accept the consensus. I keep repeating it because you are still not getting it. You refusal to drop it and move on is not getting it, FYI. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but we're trying extremely hard to help you understand that you're still not getting the point. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 02:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to argue and be disruptive so I can get blocked again. I tried everything to try to put these artists back but anytime you do that, you either revert it, delete it, or simply saying that you need a consensus. I'm very passionate about animation and if you would've let me add these people back, it will be more easier for people to know which was storyboarded instead of sources like IMDB since I showed you two vandalized examples of SpongeBob episodes. How could I accept a consensus and what are the steps to it? I tried search videos on YouTube but they're are not results on that topic. Even if you can read about consensus, how can talk to users about putting the changes back the way it was? Even with or without storyboard artists, I reorganized the writers and directors to be more readable. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

how can talk to users about putting the changes back the way it was? this shows that you are refusing to abide by consensus and still determined to change other editors' minds. This is not getting it. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Although I read the page about consensus, I can't abide because all the users I talked to, refused to add them back. Consensus literally means that the users have to agree to support a decision in the best interest. I can't do that if you guys keep refusing me. If only I have a better attitude with you guys, I would've abide. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 02:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

What I was trying to say is that if I was more calmer and serious, I could of abide the consensus. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

How about this: How about we can start making a consensus? But the only way to do that is to have all of the users to abide and agree to the consensus. Sorry I was acting crazy for these couple of days. Good thing I didn't totally vandalize any pages in these couple of days (I'm looking at you "List of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse episodes"!). Who's with me? 69.255.225.138 (talk) 22:45, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I was inactive for days and I'm sorry that I was arguing with everybody. Can you guys forgive me? 69.255.225.138 (talk) 12:52, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@YoungForever Note: Continued to add the storyboard credits as on Gravity Falls (season 2) and Gravity Falls (season 1). Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 21:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Report them to WP:ANEW or WP:ANI. I am not sure which one would be more appropriate, you may want to ask another veteran editor. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)