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That is an excellent article you seem to have started from scratch there. Welcome! elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 04:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Venetian Ionian Islands[edit]

Hello! First off, a very impressive piece of work, I can hardly commend it enough. I don't know of any English-language history of the Ionian islands under Venetian rule, but if you can read Greek, the History of the Hellenic Nation (Ιστορία του ελληνικού έθνους) compiled by the Academy of Athens and Vakalopoulos' History of modern Hellenism (Ιστορία του νέου ελληνισμού), which has been translated into English as well, ought to have useful information. On history, at least the Ottoman attacks, especially on Corfu, the final dissolution of the Venetian control and some short aftermath section would be required. Some more details on the administrative/social structure of islands and on the cultural impact of the Italian Renaissance in music and art would also be necessary to make the article comprehensive. I'll try to help, but time is a bit short due to real life concerns. Cheers, and keep it up! Constantine 11:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Ciao! First, compliments for the excellent, thoroughly article. Second, I am not an administrator so I cannot help you too much... As for the naming, anyway, in my point of view the name change is not so harmful (i.e., fortunately they didn't change them into something like "Croatian islands which only for a short time were under Venetian rule" :D). Finally, did you ever stumble in History of the Venetian Republic? I think it needs far more details since its unabalancedly large for some period, and sketchy for others. Let me know and good work da --'''Attilios''' (talk) 12:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review[edit]

Hello there, was the post by 46.176.107.250 on my talkpage by you? If so, if you have any questions about my review, can you ask them on the peer review page? It's much easier for me which points you raised questions about, and it keeps everything together in a nice organised package! I have it watchlisted. Assuming the IP was you, then per bullet point

  • Whoops, sorry about that. No idea what happened. Anyway, looking at it again, if the invasions have any particular relevance to Venice at the time it controlled the Ionian Islands, then it should be explained. If the only relation is the fall of the Western Roman Empire, just mention the fall in order to simplify the text.
  • If the sources don't have a list and no source names a particular treaty as the most important or something like that, I'd remove the example.
  • If a section is about the history of the treaties, I'd assume it belongs under history. However, if there's a special reason that you haven't included it in history then there's no distinct need to.
  • If you can't find them, I suppose you can't put them in. Pity. Perhaps there's a mention of what administrative division of the Ottoman Empire they were part of?
  • Can't answer this bullet point, because ironically, I wish to know which point are you referring to? :)

Anyway, as that last bullet point proved, it'd be much easier if you replied in the Peer Review page itself! As for my suggestions, keep in mind I'm simply an interested third party, and all my points are simply suggestions, which you can take, leave, or modify at your discretion. Happy to help, Chipmunkdavis (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

I agree with the other comments above; an excellent article which is at least worth GA status. I've made a few copy-edits. I don't have time for a formal review, but here are some other comments:

  • "Corfu was the only island that escaped Ottoman occupation" – "escaped" takes an un-necessary position; stating facts is better, e.g. "Corfu was the only island not occupied by the Ottomans"
  • "It is believed that the Venetian period on the Islands was agreeable" – believed by whom? "agreeable" – is this the word in the source? If not, it seems odd to me.
  • "doge Pietro Ziani" – the title "doge" is inconsistently capitalized in the article; a capital here seems better to me, but it should be consistent. (Note the difference between the correct "his admiral Philippe Chinard" which occurs later and "Admiral Philippe Chinard".)
  • "two years after the beginning of the Turkish rule, Antonio Tocco invaded and briefly occupied Cephalonia and Zante but he was soon driven out by the Venetians" – although the name "Antonio Tocco" is mentioned before, it's not clear to me, as a reader and non-specialist in this subject, who he is and where he was from. Clarify?
  • "The French rule, however, did not last as ..." – I think that "however" is a bit over-used from this point onwards. I do it myself, as it makes for a more interesting, more explanatory style, but as Wikipedia:EDITORIAL#Editorializing notes it can introduce an editorial point. Here it seems that it could just be omitted. I suggest checking all uses of this word and omitting unless really necessary for the sense.
  • "In Corfu the Venetian officials included ..." – capitalization of titles seems inconsistent in this paragraph.
  • "Nevertheless, raisin exports ..." – Wikilink "raisin"; also switches to "currant" without explanation.
  • "These two were the main factors in the decline of Roman Catholicism in the Islands." – which two? There are three in the preceding two sentences: accepting the Catholics as their superiors, placing the interests of the Republic ahead of those of the Papacy and mixed marriages.
  • "who recall it with a shade of nostalgia" – I would explicitly source this to Zorzi in the text as it's very much an opinion.
  • "In the Greek Census of 1907, 4,675 people from the Ionian Islands stated Italian as their mother tongue" – do we know what proportion this was? (Routine calculations are allowed so it could be calculated if the total population is known.)
  • Ideally all non-English words and phrases should be enclosed in a {{lang}} template so that text reading software knows that they need pronouncing differently.

Great work! Peter coxhead (talk) 11:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Venetian Ionians[edit]

I am interested in reviewing this for GA, I will try to get it done by next week Thursday. I may be inactive for a few days coming up, but I certainly will get this reviewed. DCItalk 05:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

GA review: issues[edit]

Though still optimistic about your article's chances at reaching GA, I have placed your review on hold until Dec. 4, pending concerns raised over content, which can be found at the GA review page. Would you be able to fix these issues by that time? I am willing to give you more days if you need them. Good work, and good luck. DCItalk 21:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Good Article review of Ionian islands under Venetian rule[edit]

Green tickY Your article passed its GA review. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, and good luck editing in the future! DCItalk 02:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Green tickY

Some feedback[edit]

I saw your message on my talk page. I've been busy off the computer lately, and apologize if my comments might have been confusing, hasty, or lacking in any way. Your work on the article is admirable; there are issues in every article on this website, and yours is above average, to say the least. DCItalk (I am not logged in, just so you know in case you see an IP address on here!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.86.136.230 (talk) 02:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

A-class[edit]

Are you interested in bringing Ionian islands under Venetian rule to WikiProject Military History's A-class review? DCItalk 02:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Reply[edit]

I'll set up the review; I'll place a link below this section when it's ready. My signature might seem different; I'm using an unsecured internet connection so I logged in to my "traveling account." DCI traveling Talk 21:14, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Link[edit]

Here's the link: Wikipedia:History Review Department/A-class review#A-class review nominations. When you edit and save something on the review, you will end up on a subpage that shows everything that's on the review. There should be a link at the top of the page, below the title, that will get you back to the A-class review page. If you're confused about anything, just ask. DCI traveling Talk 21:39, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Legacy[edit]

Your additions looked quite good! I edited a couple of things here and there, but it looks great. dci | TALK 15:14, 24 February 2012 (UTC)