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Barnstar for your work on SpaceX articles[edit]

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For your hard, tireless work updating and expanding spaceflight articles! A lot of updates on SpaceX from the news would be missed without your work. Thanks, Appable (talk) 05:57, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, thank you very much, Appable. I appreciate that.
What I do is rather simple: I read a great deal about the expanding influence of market forces and economic decision making in spaceflight, and a little on the legacy government-decision making in the space sector. Since the latter is so exhaustively covered in nearly every article on the early decades of human spaceflight technology, I merely try to encyclopedically summarize some part of the advances being made by the players who are responding more to the economic incentives.
If I find something, and it's not covered in Wikipedia, I often write a sentence or two and add it to the appropriate article, always being sure to add a source citation so others can verify anything that Wikipedia asserts.
Simple protocol, but I guess all the small changes at the margin eventually, after some years, have a larger impact on making this info available to the wider world who don't follow the esoteric space news outlets like I do. Thanks again for noticing, and stopping by to say hello. N2e (talk) 17:27, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

time capsule[edit]

Dear N2e, Thank you for your support of the Wiki loves galactic exploration project. I understand the limitations of the project but the time capsule part is critical. I have memory space limitations based on a SD card so I am hoping to put a curated WikiOffline profanity free version into orbit. Geraldshields11 (talk) 20:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Zond 3[edit]

Was Zond 3 really a mission to Mars? [1]

--Stone (talk) 21:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Stone, I don't believe Zond 3 ever launched "to Mars". I think it missed the window when a Mars trajectory would have been possible in the 1964 conjunction/synode, by failing to launch near the time that Zond 2 was launched. I believe the Soviets then launched the Zond 3 spacecraft as a test, but not "to Mars", a bit later on. Note also that Zond 3 is missing from the (much shared) Mars Exploration Family Portrait. Cheers. N2e (talk)
You added this fact to the article [2], so you should know it. If this was a simple type we should change it. --Stone (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm. Looks like a typo then. If it is not supported by the source, it has no business being in Wikipedia. I don't have time to do more research right now, but I do not believe that Zond 3 ever launched "to Mars". Perhaps a misreading of the source by yours truly when I updated that article??? Not sure. N2e (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I will try to find something about Zond 3 when I am back from holidays. --Stone (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
[3] it was planed for a launch to Mars but missed the window.--Stone (talk) 15:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Philip Moellers[edit]

Hallo, I've just stub-sorted the journalist stub; a couple of things

  1. Category:BLP isn't used, it's Category:Living people. I find it easiest to use the {{subst:L|||}} syntax eg {{subst:L|1917|2009|Smith, John}}, to add birth and death date categories if present or "Living" and "Date of birth missing" cats as appropriate, and also the sort key. I think it has to be a capital "L".
  2. {{otheruses}} is used for links to dab pages - for a specific link like this one use {{for}} or {{about}} (I prefer the latter as it allows you to add more than one alternative destination, and optionally to describe the subject of the Primary Topic page you're on too).

Happy Editing. PamD 15:29, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Pam. I don't do too many new BLPs and it is hard to keep track of all the wiki-wonderful ways to tag new stubs. But you've hit it on the head. I agree with both of your changes, and will try to take a look here in the future if I create a next BLP stub. Cheers. N2e (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


Moved from top of page where it had been misplaced Dear N2e thank you for your email. I appreciate your intention to help me. Your support is very welcome for improving the OneWeb satellite constellation article. I have edited the text plus citations trying to be neutral. I send you this draft as well as i would like to send you the original of the work accepted for the 64 International Astronautical Congress in Beijing in 2013. How I can send this files in Adobe format to you?

As early as in 2013 Fatima Dyczynski, 23 year old aerospace engineer, scientist and the founder of Xoterraspace Company developed her vision of 88 nano-satellite constellation for Earth Observation (EO) and space born communication.

B.Sc. Fatima Dyczynski presented her scientific work “A Novel Business Model To Substantiate the Commercial Viability of a Cubesat Constellation for Advanced Earth Observation and Monitoring” the 64 International Astronautical Congress in Beijing in 2013.

This innovative scientific work was performed at the Technical University of Delft in the Netherlands together with Professor J.M. Kuiper and substantiated the commercial feasibility of a nano-satellite constellation of 88 Cubsat. The Delfi-C3 the first Cubesat nano-satellite was constructed by students at the Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands and was launched at 03:53:42 on 28 April 2008 from a space centre on the island of Sriharikota in India. It is still functional. This project was supervised by Mr Jasper Bouvmeester from the Department of Space System Engineering, TU Delft in the Netherlands.

Fatima Dyczynski was a pioneer in commercialization of nano-satellite constellation and presented her scientific work at the 64 International Astronautical Congress (IAC) in Beijing in 2013 and at the TedX in the Netherlands in October 2013.

Fatima stated in her TedX talk entitled “Make Space Personal": "Living in the 21st century, as we do, we all have the mandate of pushing the limitations of technologies and scientific breakthroughs to the adjacent possible".

The nano-satellite constellation in Lower Earth Orbit (LEO) as an extension of business intelligence and communication, available via personal mobile phones was the Fatima’s next scientific topic published together with Dr Angelo Cervone, an Associate Professor at the TU Delft and Mr Norman Noordervliet, Executive Officer of the XoterraSpace Company.

Fatima had been invited to present this topic entitled: “How to successfully create and implement an end-to-end business intelligence tool through integrated space based applications” in Toronto, Canada during the 65 International Astronautical Congress, in October 2014.

B.Sc. Fatima Dyczynski was a pioneer in development of the commercialisation of a nano-satellite constellation and its commercial feasibility.

Fatima’s intention was to make the space born Earth Observation available via mobile phone for the benefit of everyone and the whole mankind. B.Sc. Fatima Dyczynski was a passenger on the Flight MH 17.

Kind regards Dr George B.Sc.Fatima Dyczynski (talk) 08:26, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

Fatima Dyczynski with a nanosatellite.jpg

Dear N2e,

I would like to add to the information put on this page yesterday to improve the OneWeb satellite constellation page. B.Sc.Fatima Dyczynski

The annual Fatima Dyczynski Prize on Space Innovation and Entrepreneurship was established in 2014 in honor of the person B.Sc. Fatima Dyczynski. The Prize shall encourage, stimulate, and award peaceful Space Innovation, Entrepreneurship at the Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands and beyond. Link:

Kind regards Dr George

B.Sc.Fatima Dyczynski (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

@B.Sc.Fatima Dyczynski: Thanks for your note. Because of the challenge of potential WP:COI on your part in the drafting of the prose above, I'll not read all that at present, in order to keep my mind clear on the matter (since I am explicitly considering material that might lead to me editing the OneWeb satellite constellation article that we are discussing here.
I'm also less interested in the WP:primary source material of your published papers, and very interested in whatever WP:secondary source material might have been written about the work, or the proposals or concepts, in the space media, or really, in any other source that Wikipedia might consider a reliable secondary source. My attempt to focus on secondary sources published in reliable source media is to avoid WP:Synthesis, or orgininal research, (neither of which is condoned on Wikipedia) for whatever I might write up for the article. As well, I'm interested in avoiding WP:POV issues, which any over-emphasis of the academic papers of any single researcher runs the risk of doing.
So the question is: do you have such reliable secondary sources that you might point me to where this work (concepts/proposals/etc.) have been written about? Cheers. N2e (talk) 03:57, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
@B.Sc.Fatima Dyczynski: As per N2e above, WP:NOR as well as WP:NPOV is a big concern for me in your planned edits. "Fatima’s intention was to make the space born Earth Observation available via mobile phone for the benefit of everyone and the whole mankind." seems more promotional than encyclopaedic, unfortunately. You may want to check out WP:Here to build an encyclopedia in order to write better prose for the article. In general the rule is that if you wouldn't find it in a professional encyclopaedia, you shouldn't find it in Wikipedia. NottNott talk|contrib 15:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

---FOLLOWING COMMENT BY FATIMA DYCZYNSKI was added at the top of this Talk page a few weeks ago; I'm now moving it to the bottom of the section that F.D. has been engaged in, per ordinary Talk page formatting practices. N2e (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear N2e,

Thank you for your comments. I have read the Wikipedia links. It is very helpful. I appreciate it. Concerning to the sentence:

"Fatima’s intention was to make the space born Earth Observation available via mobile phone for the benefit of everyone and the whole mankind."

This is the announcement of the 64 IAC in Beijing at the page of the hosting organization the International Astronautical Federation in Paris:

64TH INTERNATIONAL ASTRONAUTICAL CONGRESS HELD IN CHINA From 23-27 September 2013, the Chinese Society of Astronautics (CSA) welcomed the global space community in Beijing, China. After hosting the very successful Global Lunar Conference (GLUC) in 2010, Beijing was selected as the site for the IAC 2013 by the IAF General Assembly. The Congress’ theme was Promoting Space Development for the Benefits of Mankind. Link:

The sentence sounds pathetic even poetic in the modern times of a progressive space militarization. However it was the conclusion of Fatima Dyczynski’s scientific work entitled:


Please find attached copy of the 1st and the 7th page of this work

The scientific work of Fatima Dyczynski published in the Proceedings of the 64 IAC in Beijing 2013.png

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The full proceedings of the 64th IAC in Beijing can be found at the webpage:

May be the concerned sentence sounds better in the following edition: "Fatima’s intention was to make the space born Earth Observation available via mobile phone for the benefit of mankind."

Kind regards Dr GeorgeB.Sc.Fatima Dyczynski (talk) 06:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Seeking WP:Energy members[edit]

Hi N2e, I've been trying to implement some improvements to Efficient energy use, but given that I have a paid COI, I've been having some trouble finding anyone to help out. I noticed you're one of the few members of WP:Energy that is still active; do you think you could review some of the changes I've suggested?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 23:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I'm slammed with work right now, so unsure I'll have much time for that beyond my regual WP editing. But will endeavor to get over there and have a look on the next "rainy Wednesday afternoon" I encounter. N2e (talk) 18:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

New page you may be interested in[edit]

Neutral buoyancy pool--Craigboy (talk) 10:48, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look. N2e (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sea Gypsies (people groups)[edit]

Hello N2e,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Sea Gypsies (people groups) for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Pixarh (talk) 16:59, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, Pixarh. Looks like another editor has removed the speedy.
As to the substantive questions, I had thought that since it was a disambiguation page one was not allowed to add sources to the disambig page. However, there is clearly sufficient material on these south asian and pacific people groups which seem to be rather widely referred to as Sea Gypsies, that a standalone article would be warranted, and would meet WP:GNG. But I really think that the wide use of the term to describe these groups is probably best handled via a redirect/disambig. Prior to yesterday, there was no Wikipedia disambig for this particular use of the term "Sea Gypsies". There is now, and I think that is a very good thing. N2e (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes. As a disambiguation page, it can stand. Well done. Pixarh (talk) 16:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. N2e (talk) 23:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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