User talk:Nick Moyes/Adoption/Prometheus720

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About Me

@Nick Moyes: To reiterate, I am a senior biology student who mainly wishes to improve science coverage on Wikipedia. I have previously focused on gnomish work (article assessment and now Shortdesc), but I am looking to break into more direct editing work. I have a list of quite a few articles to work on, chosen based on pageviews, my interest, and importance to their discipline. I have a list of upcoming projects on my userpage, but I will expand on those things more deeply here when I'm ready to begin working on them. The bigger projects will probably get their own sections as I begin work on them. Most of them are going to sit for a while, though.

I should emphasize that if you ever feel like your best answer is to send me off to some other page or individual, that is totally ok with me! I don't expect you to have an answer to every single question. My goal, though, is to never post anything on here that could be easily answered by the Teahouse.

Initial Items

• Deletion/merge proposals. I came across Kishinouyei and figured that this content needs to be placed on the person's page--not separated into its own. What is the best way to go about a page like this? Should I move the content and then submit an AfD? Should I submit a merge proposal? Or should I submit an AfD right out of the gate and let everyone else decide what to do?

• Later, I came across Recognition signal and I at first thought that it was such a vague and mundane article, perhaps it should be deleted or merged. Since then, I've been leaning towards this being its own article and being expanded. What are your feelings here, and how should I have tried to determine this besides talking to you/guessing? Notability guidelines are a little byzantine to me.
• Even later, I came across Transmembrane protein 151a and its sister article Transmembrane protein 151A. Since then there has been a lot of development on the latter article. For background, many of these types of articles combine gene and protein into one article. This is another problem like the first one. How would I go about merging/deleting/etc this article?
• I have a few others like these but I hope I will learn enough from these to be able to do the rest on my own.

• Articles from scratch. I have one article which I really want to create, Lane's Balance. It's an educational tool for learning about (or visualizing aspects of) stream hydrology. In a few days I will be done with my finals and then I will begin work on this article. I'll be reading WP:YFA before then. When I have it to a place I like, I will be posting a link here with a ping for you to see.

• User:Evad37/rater. I have been working on a guide to its use in article assessment, which I will submit to Evad37 soon. I think using it for over 2000 articles probably makes me as qualified to do that as anyone else.

• After that, I plan to ask to help maintain its documentation and talk page and, if possible, try to have it listed as a gadget in Preferences. What on earth does that process look like? I'm not even sure where to start. I'd like to have a little bit of information before I contact Evad37 about this possibility--it's probably a big ask.
• Since you mentioned you may be interested in learning to use Rater, I thought you might be a good test case to read my guide and tell me if it makes sense to you as a beginner.

I have some other projects but for now, I'd like to focus on these. As always, no rush. I have enough article assessment and various tasks to last me for the rest of the year!

@Prometheus720: I'm very sorry not to have replied until now. Unfortunately, you forgot to sign your post so I did not receive any notification. See WP:NOTIFICATIONS for full details. I'm now likely to be away from a proper screen & keyboard for quite a few days. I'll have a read, and if I can reply with short comments from this tiny mobile phone, I will do my best to do so. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Updates

@Nick Moyes: So I have some updates. I'm sorry I forgot to sign my last post--I really need to pick up a userscript to do that for me. I forget far too often. Here are some issues I am working on in order of least to greatest importance. I have also edited my user page to better reflect my current projects and I will continue to do so during my time on Wikipedia.

• I have expanded my Wikignomery to basic proficiency with shortdesc and categories with HotCat. I usually do these along with assessment on articles I come across. Branching out into those tasks was a big concern of mine and now I feel much better.
• I have started a draft of Draft:Lane's Balance. It is very sparse, as I have been in communication with one of my professors to help me do the research. It involves many pre-internet publications (chiefly one in 1955) which are harder to find. I am building up some things to research before continuing, but that is what I have so far.
• I have finished a draft of that guide and I sent a link to Evad37, the user who maintains Rater. I'm hoping to work with him to eventually get Rater added as a gadget within preferences. It is incredibly useful and it has further potential. I'd appreciate it if you could get around to reading it. As I mentioned to Evad, I'm not really sure where I should publish it after revising it, though.
• I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject Biology about revamping the project. This has ballooned into talk of merging some of the subprojects as well and the formation of a science User Group. It's the bottom sections of that page. You may notice I'm a bit...ambitious. The challenge here looks to be keeping engagement up, because this will be a bit of a slog. This will likely be my main project for now, but I am also very anxious to get that guide published.

Out of those, I'd most like you to look at that guide and the discussion on WP:BIOL. I probably should have tagged you in the latter to start with, actually. Anyway, thanks for the help! Prometheus720 (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Prometheus720: Thanks for this - just wanted to acknowledge receipt and to say it'll still take me a few days before I can sit at a keyboard and work through your points and give you a full and proper response to them all. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:28, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

My apologies

@Prometheus720: I feel really guilty that I haven't managed to sit down and work through all your questions. That's no way to have treat someone. I have found myself both busy in real life and rather drawn into following the unfolding drama surrounding the WMF and WP:FRAMBAN.

I did manage to install Rater, and have tried it out a few times. I was also surprised Evad didn't reply to your message about it on his talk page. I found the basics of the script quite easy to understand, but haven't had a chance to work through all your shortcuts. Regarding commenting on your guide, my view is that it any 'Guide' should talk one through from the beginning, step by step, from purpose, to installation, to interface, to use and to problems/issues. The feedback I would offer you is that I feel your 'guide' is more like just a 'hints and tips' page. It presupposes that the user is already familiar with the tool and has installed it. My recommendation would be to include a brief introduction to the tool, what it does, how to install it, and then working through the basics, along with the hints and tips. I did find Rater quite easy to use to allocate an assessment or to insert a wikiproject. I can't remember if it autofilled the wikiproject section - I don't think it did, but it stuck me that a lookup tool might have been helpful (or to have a search facility to find a Wikiproject by a keyword). So, I might know there's a war-related Wikiproject, but can't remember its precise name. If I could just type 'war' and have a suite of alternatives offered to me, that'd be great, I think. I have no knowledge of how tools get approved for being offered in Preferences. Some that have appeared their recently started out as being offered in Beta. But there must be around a hundred or so listed at Wikipedia:User scripts/List, that I can't see them all making it into Preferences.

Regarding Kishinouyei I would move the relevant content over and propose this for a deletion discussion. Some might say 'ooh, but it's terribly useful', but I'd not be convinced such a minor naturalist needs to have the specific epithet over-promoted in this way. We've not felt the need to do it for those taxa named after the far more famous Hooker of RGB Kew fame: Hookeri, though I note we do have Darwinii which serves as a DAB page to taxa named in honour of him. So you could modify the Kishinouyei page so it's structured more like that for Hookeri, or you could be bold and turn it into a W:REDIRECT to Kamakichi Kishinouye. As it stands, the page suggest far more importance to the word that is justified in my view, to be frank - I'm rather torn which way is best, but AfD would certainly bring 'eyes on' and gain some consensus.

Regarding Transmembrane protein 151a and Transmembrane protein 151A, I find this also a very interesting one. They're clearly the same subject, Transmembrane protein 151a was created in 2014, but is a tiny stub, whereas Transmembrane protein 151A was created in Feb 2019, but is considerably more detailed, and has been much more worked on. I think (unless you're telling me that a and A are different proteins), I'd be bold and turn Transmembrane protein 151a into a WP:REDIRECT to Transmembrane protein 151A, despite the former having chronological priority, but the wrong format name. If I didn't want to be so bold, I'd raise the issue on 151a's talk page and state that as there isn't anything to merge, you propose a redirect. Wait a week for comments, then be bold and do it. Later, if someone wanted to WP:RFD the redirect, they could do so.

Your efforts to merge the WikiProjects seem laudable. I've not had chance to work through all the discussion and offer an opinion, though the medical/non-medical issue raised by Plantdrew is interesting.

Regarding Lane's balance - yes, I can see a lot of short references to this equation, so it could be a worthwhile project for you. Slightly surprised I couldn't find anything about Emory Lane himself.

Forgive me, but I'll have to check and respond to your other points in a couple of weeks or more, as I'm going to be committed and away from a PC keyboard for a quite while. If I get a chance to reply via my mobile I will try to do so, but I find that only usable for shorter edits. BTW: How did your finals go, and when do you get to hear how well you did? All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:35, 11 July 2019 (UTC)