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[edit]OS, in looking at your comments I have two comments/suggestions. First, be sure to sign your comments with 4 "~"s There is a quick link at the bottom of the edit window. Second, I understand the idea of linking to the videos. Personally I see nothing wrong with it as the MJ article that makes the accusations does exactly that. I don't agree with the claim that some make that we can't do it because the views are "fringe". However, I'm also not sure that is a winnable fight in context of consensus. Instead you might think about some of the comments that came out of the RSN discussion. Several editors noted that we have one highly partisan source offering an opinion on another and we don't have multiple sources saying the same thing. Thus this could be seen as a DUE issue. Even if MJ is somewhat reliable for the specific claims, absent others making the same claims this is placing UNDUE weight on the opinion of one source on a few videos. It would be better to try to rework the section to offer a summary of several sources and what the feel about the videos in general. This sort of selective quoting or more specifically quoting the most extreme statements made by lower quality (but not unreliable) sources is a common problem with Wikipedia articles. That said, if you go for the blunt head on approach to the problem you will likely face pushback that prevents a new consensus. This is why I like Mansem's views on things. I think they are able to often see an alternative path that addresses the problem without upsetting those who don't like the blunt "solution". Springee (talk) 00:53, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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[edit]Thanks for your support on Sam Hyde's page. I'm not championing anyone, but that leading section was just completely unacceptable for an encyclopaedia to have, especially for quite high traffic articles. My reasoning went unheeded. Apparently encyclopaedias are supposed to have an agenda now and make authoritative statements, rather than letting a reader draw their own conclusions from neutral facts. Nate, AKA MrSchimpf on the copy protection req page - and I quote, "I'm tired of seeing whitewashing of tenuous figures". Blew his own cover right within the protection req page. The unsourced 'holocaust denier' tag was truly outrageous. Without sounding melodramatic it's actually terrifying to me that people are attempting to use Wikipedia as a mouthpiece to push a narrative whether it's true or not. It is not Wikipedia's job to make authoritative statements. Anyway, sorry for the tl:dr. Just thought I'd share my feelings. Zedd1997 (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2020 (UTC)