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Hi Gustavo La Pizza! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Aintabli (talk) 00:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Beshogur (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Civility, personal attacks, and building content
[edit]Hi - I'm Girth Summit, an administrator. I'm here regarding the report that Beshogur raised at ANI (mentioned above). There is some guidance you need to read:
If you disagree with someone about the content of one of our articles, you can discuss it with them on the relevant article's talk page. Discussions like that should be calm, polite, even friendly, and should focus on the content of the article, and the sourcing that supports that content; you should not speculate as to the motivations of the people you're talking to. If you believe that someone is pushing a particular point of view, or if they are fabricating or misrepresenting sources, or even flat-out lying, you can raise a report at WP:NPOV, or in extreme circumstances, at WP:ANI. What you must not do, under any circumstances, is insult someone by telling them they are lying, or that they are a liar, in your edit summaries or on a talk page - that is a personal attack. If what they are saying is not true, you should be able to demonstrate that by recourse to reliable sources, without insulting them. Any repeat of that behaviour is likely to get your account blocked. I'll add that I had a quick look at the edit you were trying to make at Ottoman conquest of Otranto. I don't have a view on exactly what the article ought to say about whether it was an occupation or a conquest, but I will say that we don't use words like 'slaughtered' when we mean 'killed' - we try to stay away from emotive words like that. Best Girth Summit (blether) 15:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit: Hello there. The other interested party clearly is... deeply invested in the concerned topic, at best, to push their own narrative and agenda. He's already been called down on this several times, by other users (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ottoman_conquest_of_Otranto#Requested_move_29_June_2023). He even tailed me and reverted edits I made on another article, where I simply asked for a source to prove a specific statement. They falsely claimed the statement to be sourced (which quite simply isn't). It can be seen as they tailed me to this whole separate (but related) article and tried to push their own NPOV agenda even there: their deed can be seen in all its glory here. If anything, I'm not the only one at fault here. So, okay, I'll play by the book and probably open an NPOV case. Or, like, several, if that is needed. Won't leave no stone unturned. Thank you, even if (after, like, 15 years!) I'm severely appalled of the way Wikipedia staff acts on such matters (i.e. they leave unbridled licence to several provocateaurs, while they're quite quick to step in when someone - and rightly so - indignantly calls out POV-pushing and outright lies). Thank you for your service though. --Gustavo La Pizza (talk) 20:28, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit: Oh, I almost forgot. Why, if you really did review my edits, and all you could find faulty in them was the replacement of killed with slaughtered, while not seeing anything wrong with Beshogur's clear and systematic POV-pushing edits… Well, kudos to you. The well-known Wikipedian "Neutral point of view" strikes again.
- I can start a new account, should things go awry this time too. No problem. I'll have all my images removed from Commons though, even if they're quite used throughout several WP editions, especially for a handful of specialized topics there's no other image available. But no matter: if it's really necessary, I'll do it in no time. -Gustavo La Pizza (talk) 20:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
October 2023
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{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Girth Summit (blether) 09:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)- You have, above, repeated your personal attack; you have also, unless I have misunderstood you, threatened to create sock puppet accounts. So, you give me little choice other than to block your account, which I have done. This block is temporary; if you evade it using different accounts, it will be made indefinite. I have no idea what evidence you think you have presented in the diff above of POV-pushing. Next time you suspect such a thing, bring it to the proper venue, and explain the problem without using personal attacks. Girth Summit (blether) 09:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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