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Thanks, and commiserations
We're actually on opposite sides in the Camilla Move debate (I support moving to Queen Camilla), but thanks for the usefully informative link you posted in this edit, and I'm sorry that some seemingly gratuitously offensive (as in, for instance, "shove" which is of course usually just shorthand for "shove it up your arse", etc) anonymous contributor seems to have bullied you into crossing out "in fact" as allegedly condescending (I see nothing condescending about it, indeed I might possibly have put it a bit more forcefully had I posted it myself). I could have said this at that page, except that I've probably posted a bit too much there already (I-forget-which rule against browbeating says not to answer everything), though please feel free to link from there to here should you somehow happen to find that useful. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 03:37, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Tlhslobus: Thanks – I didn't actually take any offence myself, and just crossed the words out as a rather simple and perfunctory point of courtesy to the IP user. I agree that there's a limit to how much one can participate in these kinds of debates, especially if editors end up rehashing the same few arguments afer a while! Kind regards — RAVENPVFF · talk · 14:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Tlhslobus (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
solo violin
Language question: "music for solo violin" is for me "music for violin solo", but I may be wrong. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I've definitely seen both forms, but you're probably right that "violin solo" is the more preferable form in music circles, I think. Thanks — RAVENPVFF · talk · 15:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry that's not what I mean. I thought that violin solo means pieces for a single violin, and nothing else, and that "for solo violin" means the same. The recorded works, however, include a Violin Concerto, and various groups of chamber musicians, - all pieces where it's an individual violin (vs. a section in the orchestra). I wrote "with" to distinguish. Always learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Ah, I see; it's not a particularly common turn of phrase in my experience. I'm not familiar with Weinberg's music, but I think to avoid undue ambiguity it would be best if we clarified what types of compositions are being referred to by the phrase "with solo violin", e.g. concertos or quartets. As an aside, I wouldn't really call a chamber ensemble a group of soloists, since "solo" normally implies a certain part that's individually prominent, although I'll admit that I'm not an expert on this topic. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- We'd get too long for a DYK hook, because it's a concerto, violin sonatas (which means violin and piano), sonatas for solo violin, and trios. Looking at a list (that was just reduced to almost nothing), we could say "is a featured instrument", how is that? - We had an alt hook that was explicit, but the reviewer wanted the specific instrument in, and that leaves no room to be specific about the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Yes, I think that approach would be best; there's room in the article to include a fuller description, though. What do you think about the following alternative hook:
- ... that Linus Roth recorded all of Mieczysław Weinberg's compositions featuring the violin on the 1703 Dancla Stradivarius?
- I've also taken the liberty to make a slight reword to emphasize the use of the Strad, instead of just stating on the side that Roth plays it. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Yes, I think that approach would be best; there's room in the article to include a fuller description, though. What do you think about the following alternative hook:
- We'd get too long for a DYK hook, because it's a concerto, violin sonatas (which means violin and piano), sonatas for solo violin, and trios. Looking at a list (that was just reduced to almost nothing), we could say "is a featured instrument", how is that? - We had an alt hook that was explicit, but the reviewer wanted the specific instrument in, and that leaves no room to be specific about the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Ah, I see; it's not a particularly common turn of phrase in my experience. I'm not familiar with Weinberg's music, but I think to avoid undue ambiguity it would be best if we clarified what types of compositions are being referred to by the phrase "with solo violin", e.g. concertos or quartets. As an aside, I wouldn't really call a chamber ensemble a group of soloists, since "solo" normally implies a certain part that's individually prominent, although I'll admit that I'm not an expert on this topic. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry that's not what I mean. I thought that violin solo means pieces for a single violin, and nothing else, and that "for solo violin" means the same. The recorded works, however, include a Violin Concerto, and various groups of chamber musicians, - all pieces where it's an individual violin (vs. a section in the orchestra). I wrote "with" to distinguish. Always learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for all the work you did on the article. It's in much better shape than where I left it. Very much appreciated. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:56, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Happy to help. I personally find that DYK nominations are nice articles to copy-edit – in my experience they can always benefit from a little editorial polishing, and are also normally short enough to be worth tackling in one sitting! — RAVENPVFF · talk · 13:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)