Hi Paul. Nice to hear from you. :-) Yes, I found Merwan Ifnaoui's career path intriguing and that got me interested in creating an article.
Thanks a lot for the offers! I don't have any immediate plans but I would certainly not rule out creating more articles for Red Star players. Red Star and Ajaccio are both clubs I like to follow on Wikipedia, especially the former. iPhone 6S I salute you for your sustainable use of phones. I also like to hold on to my phones as long as I can.
Hi Robby! Thanks for responding, nice to hear from you as well. Thanks for considering the offers! I might get on some of them soon if I find some time. As for the iPhone, it's mostly because I'm in France right now, I took this older phone of mine and bought a French SIM card so I could call here— I live in the US. Otherwise, I have a 2020 SE (not that new either). So I'm not gonna take too much credit, haha. The match was interesting, both teams fought well, I got to be really close to the players. However, I was a bit disappointed that the standing section fans were "on strike" (no singing, no drums, no flags) due to protesting against beIN Sports since the game is scheduled on a Monday. If you're interested, see Le Parisien's article. I was also disappointed that the main anti-beIN chant that resonated in the stadium was "beIN Sports c'est des pédés" (transl. beIN SPORTS are faggots.) I enjoyed the whole experience, but if I go again I will make sure it is during the week-end. A takeaway from the whole thing is that Red Star deserves its reputation as a popular football club. Do you also do this sometimes, go to football matches and take pictures to upload on Commons? Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, I have a 2020 SE (not that new either). Me too! ;-)
I got to be really close to the players. Oh. Yeah, I've found that being placed so close to the pitch really helps with appreciating the skill and speed of professional footballers.
[[French people|on strike]] That's quite the MOS:EASTEREGG, heh, I see what you did there. I was also disappointed that the main anti-beIN chant that resonated in the stadium was "beIN Sports c'est des pédés" (transl. beIN SPORTS are faggots.) Oh dear, that's awful – and at a club that appears to be known for left-wing politics and social activism even. Having read the Parisien article (thanks!), I wouldn't blame fans for being annoyed with the terrible programming but homophobic chants are disappointing.
Do you also do this sometimes, go to football matches and take pictures to upload on Commons? No, I haven't ever. I was a season ticket holder at Werder Bremen from 2003 to 2022 but I was more occupied with singing, chanting and trying to make sense of what was happening than with documenting anything. In general I've never got into taking photos, really, but I'm thankful that people do. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 22:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
iPhone SE on top! Haha glad you liked the easter egg, I figured you'd see it. Yeah, this area does objectively have left-wing politics but it's not the same left-wing as say the type to go out and celebrate pride, you know? Also, homophobic chants are simply ingrained in football culture, unfortunately. Wow, season ticket holder at Werder Bremen for 19 years? Not bad! Of course I wouldn't be pre-occupied with that at my favorite team's games (PSG; by the way, I went to see the 6–0 win vs Montpellier last Friday— a rare occurrence for me). I suppose you've been to a game as a neutral before. But not everyone is interested in taking photos, so, no problems :-) Why did you give up your Werder Bremen tickets? Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this area does objectively have left-wing politics but it's not the same left-wing as say the type to go out and celebrate pride, you know? Right. Left-wing politics at Red Star may be more about economic justice than about gender equality. homophobic chants are simply ingrained in football culture, unfortunately That's true, sadly.
The 6–0 win must have been a lot of fun. I once saw a 8–1 Bundesliga win over Arminia Bielefeld.
I suppose you've been to a game as a neutral before. I have, though I reckon five times at most…
Why did you give up your Werder Bremen tickets? It was a combination of factors: a) disillusionment with professional football – increasing commercialisation and the like, b) Werder Bremen's poor results, including relegation, c) shifting interests, d) increasing insight that I didn't want to tie my emotional state to events that I have no control over. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, for Red Star, that's a good way to put it. I couldn't have asked for a better game than 6–0, to be honest. I think it's our joint-biggest league win in like five/six years as well. 8–1 is even nicer, though. Ok, I understand your reasoning for not buying season tickets anymore. I also have those moments where I see that I tie my emotional state to football games too much. Recently, I've started caring less when results are negative. I still watch every game :-). Alright, happy editing, Robby, and if you're able to help me on the Red Star player articles, then great! If not, no issues. Cheers, Paul Vaurie (talk) 10:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could I perhaps share some quotes from this page with you...
"Achieving what the Wikipedia community understands as neutrality means carefully and critically analyzing a variety of reliable sources and then attempting to convey to the reader the information contained in them fairly"
"Wikipedia aims to describe disputes, but not engage in them. The aim is to inform, not influence. Editors, while naturally having their own points of view, should strive in good faith to provide complete information and not to promote one particular point of view over another."
"If different reliable sources make conflicting assertions about a matter, treat these assertions as opinions rather than facts, and do not present them as direct statements."
"try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone."
"Remove material when you have a good reason to believe it misinforms or misleads readers in ways that cannot be addressed by rewriting the passage."
In light of that, if you see "left-wing" or "right-wing" removed, please ask yourself if reverting it will escalate or de-escalate bias on Wikipedia. Dagelf (talk) 10:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The edit special:diff/1245337253 does not accomplish anything useful. All you did is arbitrarily capitalize one template name, re-arrange an arbitrarily ordered template parameter, and change the markup for dates in templates from the simplest and most concise machine-readable format to a longer format, when the {{use dmy dates}} template at the top is already auto-formatting everything to a more concise format below. Please exercise some basic discretion and refrain from making this kind of edit in the future. It creates distracting churn in edit histories and the effect is to make the template markup take up more space while having no effect on page output. –jacobolus(t)17:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Jacobolus: I disagree. Machine-readability is good but not sufficient. Dates should also be easily readable for the average person. While "2024-09-10" is ambiguous globally, "10 September 2024" is clearly understood. That is why I did and still do consider the change useful. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 17:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Robby.is.on You are not understanding. When the {{use dmy dates}} template with the cs1-dates parameter set is included at the top of the page, all of the dates inside citation templates will be standardized to the preferred output format. It literally makes no difference which date format is used for the markup of the template parameters at that point – readers will see the same output regardless. Beyond that, articles can, by local inertia or consensus, set their own preferred date style, and it is inappropriate to do drive-by script-assisted changes of those without discussion; see MOS:STYLEVAR. Doing the type of edit your did is not helpful, but only (mildly) disruptive. Please stop doing it. –jacobolus(t)18:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When the {{use dmy dates}} template with the cs1-dates parameter set is included at the top of the page, all of the dates inside citation templates will be standardized to the preferred output format. That's not what I'm seeing, though. See the screenshot. Reference section at Radha Charan GuptaRobby.is.on (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The output appearance was identical before and after your change. The use dmy dates template explicitly specifies "sy" format, which means that the main date of a citation will be in shortened style (e.g., from your screengrab, 8 Jul 2010) and the access and archive dates will instead use the numerical ISO style (e.g. 2018-11-18). That is the deliberately intended date format on this page, and the MOS makes it clear that this style is an acceptable variant, which should not be changed if used consistently. –jacobolus(t)19:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The output appearance was identical before and after your change. I re-checked and found that you're right. I think the the cs1-dates parameter is a disservice to our readers but I'll leave it. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. You may not have noticed my edit to Ray Ferris that undid your reverting the addition of the NIFG (Northern Ireland's Footballing Greats, nifootball.blogspot.com) website as "a random blog". The site was accepted as reliable some 15 years ago at this discussion and hasn't become unreliable in the meantime, as far as I'm aware. And it's listed as such at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Links#Northern Ireland. Anyway, just a heads-up that I'm intending to restore the remaining reverted ones (gradually, real life permitting), check the heights listed and format them properly. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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