User talk:Shahanshah5

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- LouisAragon (talk) 16:11, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

To name a few examples;

• Adding a tag (without edit summary) behind a WP:SKYISBLUE statement without having made any prior edits to the topic in question.[1]

LouisAragon Show me some wiki rule which says that to add "source need" template, first I need to first make any edit on article. Shahanshah5 (talk) 12:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

• Adding an Azerbaijani-favored POV to Baku Khanate, even though the sources at Khanates of the Caucasus make it clear that the only WP:NPOV for the time being is "Khanates of the Caucasus";[2]

Show me some rs source which names Baku Khanates as Iranian/Persian/Caucasian khanate Shahanshah5 (talk) 12:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

• Using non-RS sources to push an Azerbaijani POV on historic figures that were not Azerbaijani[3] - LouisAragon (talk) 16:11, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, proof that that source was non-RS. And secondly here is another source which support POV about his Azerbaijani origin Shahanshah5 (talk) 12:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Искендер-бек-Туркеман, по прозванию Мунши («секретарь»). Этот крупнейший из представителей сефевидской придворной историографии родился около 968 г. х. (1560/61 г. н. э.) и происходил из азербайджанского кочевого племени туркеман" [Original text]

Iskander-beg-Turcoman by nickname Munshi(secretar). This one of the great represents of Safavid place historiography who was born in 1560 year and originated from Azerbaijani tribe turcoman [translation]

You may check its source[1] Shahanshah5 (talk) 12:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

• "Show me some rs source which names Baku Khanates as Iranian/Persian/Caucasian khanate"

I literally linked the article (Khanates of the Caucasus) on two occassions where the sources in question are listed. In my edit summary when I reverted you[4] and right here on your talk page (^). And yet you still "ask" for sources?

Yes, I had asked. Because I didn't notice mentioning of Baku Khanate on that page. Shahanshah5 (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Usage of "Persian khanates":

• Ronald G. Suny. "They Can Live in the Desert but Nowhere Else": A History of the Armenian Genocide", (Princeton University Press, 2015), 70; "In 1828 the Russian army took the Persian khanate of Erevan (which nearly a century later would become the capital of independent Armenia) and established a new frontier on the Arax River".
• Rouben Paul Adalian. "Historical Dictionary of Armenia", (Scarecrow Press, 2010), 471; "(...) in the town of Ashtarak in Eastern Armenia during the period of the Persian khanates."
• David Marshall Lang. "The Last Years of the Georgian Monarchy, 1658-1832", (Columbia University Press, 1957), 153; "(...) and to obtain the Persian regent Kerim Khan's recognition of Georgian suzerainty over the Persian khanates north of (...)"
• Alexander Bitis. "Russia and the Eastern Question: Army, Government and Society, 1815-1833", (Oxford University Press, 2006), 223; "(...) Persian khanates north of the Arax."
• S. Frederick Starr. "The legacy of history in Russia and the new states of Eurasia", (M.E. Sharpe, 1994), 259; "(...) to welcome the Russian armies and the annexation of the Persian khanates north of the Araxes River between 1806 and 1828."
• Britannica online, "Azerbaijan", History section (link); "Persian-ruled khanates in Shirvan (Şamaxı), Baku, Ganja (Gäncä), Karabakh, and Yerevan dominated this frontier of Ṣafavid Iran. (...) After a series of wars between the Russian Empire and Iran, the treaties of Golestān (Gulistan; 1813) and Turkmenchay (Torkmānchāy; 1828) established a new border between the empires. Russia acquired Baku, Shirvan, Ganja, Nakhichevan (Naxçıvan), and Yerevan.

Usage of "Iranian Khanates/Iranian province":

• George A. Bournoutian. "The 1819 Russian Survey of the Khanate of Sheki: A Primary Source on the Demography and Economy of an Iranian Province Prior to Its Annexation by Russia", (Mazda Publishers, 2016).
• George A. Bournoutian. "The 1820 Russian Survey of the Khanate of Shirvan: A Primary Source on the Demography and Economy of an Iranian Province prior to its Annexation by Russia", (Gibb Memorial Trust, 2016), pp. xvi-xvii, 6 (amongst many others);
  • "Following the conquest of the former Iranian khanates of Baku, Shirvan, Sheki, Karabagh and Talesh, the Russians combined them into (..)"
  • "In 1827, Tsar Nicholas I finally replaced Yermolov with General Ivan Paskevich, who roundly defeated the Iranians and forced them, in 1828, to sign the Treaty of Turkmenchay (Torkmanchay), by which the last two remaining Iranian khanates of Yerevan and Nakhichevan, as well as (...)."
  • "In 1840, tsarist policy, which favored a more uniform system for the region, consolidated all of South Caucasus into two provinces (...) were made part of the Georgian-Imeretian Province, while the rest of the former Iranian khanates formed the Caspian Province."
  • "In the 1930s, a number of Soviet historians, including the prominent Russian Orientalist, Ilya Petrushevskii, were instructed by the Kremlin to accept the totally unsubstantiated notion that the territory of the former Iranian khanates (except Yerevan, which had become Soviet Armenia) was part of an Azerbaijani nation."
• Encyclopædia Iranica. AZERBAIJAN, (1987); "This new entity consisted of the former Iranian Khanates of Arrān, including Karabagh, Baku, Shirvan, Ganja, Talysh (Ṭāleš), Derbent (Darband), Kuba, and Nakhichevan (Naḵjavān), which had been annexed to Russia by the treaties of Golestān (1813) and Torkamānčāy (1828) under the rubric of Eastern Transcaucasia."
• George A. Bournoutian. "The 1829-1832 Russian Surveys of the Khanate of Nakhichevan (Nakhjavan): A Primary Source on the Demography and Economy of an Iranian Province Prior to Its Annexation by Russia", (Mazda Publishers, 2016).
• George A. Bournoutian. "Armenia and Imperial Decline: The Yerevan Province, 1900-1914", (Routledge, 2018), 6; "(...) After establishing Tiflis as its administrative and military headquarters in the region, Russia attacked the Iranian Khanate of Ganja (Ganjeh) and began the First Russo-Iranian War (1804-1813). (...) By 1813, the restraints of these other military engagements were removed, and following a number of defeats, Iran was forced to sign the Gulistan (Golestan) agreement. The treaty, which the Iranians considered to be only an armistice, handed the former Iranian khanates of Ganja, Derbent (Darband), Kuba (Qobbeh), Shirvan, Karabagh (Qarabagh), Sheki (Shakki) and parts of Talysh (Talesh) to Russia (...)"

Usage of "Khanates of the Caucasus":

• Cronin, Stephanie, ed. (2013). Iranian-Russian Encounters: Empires and Revolutions Since 1800. Routledge. p. 53. ISBN 978-0415624336. "The shah's dominions, including the khanates of the Caucasus, included only about 5 to 6 million inhabitants against Russia's 500,000-strong army and estimated 40 million population."

You shouldn't so torture yourself, I had asked source only about Baku Khanate but not about all khanates of this region. Shahanshah5 (talk) 15:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Even on your talk page, you reveal that you are deliberately oblivious of WP:NPOV, and WP:TENDENTIOUS, and are only interested in what "you" believe is correct. In other words, looking at the compelling evidence, it appears you are here on a mission. Trust me, this wouldn't look good at ANI. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@LouisAragon:, it would be nice of you if you would prove me that I do any of WP:NPOV, WP:TENDENTIOUS, WP:JDL and AGENDA. And could you say what means what "you" believe is correct ? I consider it as insult since you use mentioning me in quotes! And what about ANI, you gave me an good idea, I think we could continue this talking on the page of ones of admins, couldn't we? :) Shahanshah5 (talk) 15:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Let's go to an admin's page, right now! They can look at your edits on the talk page of Bahmanyar(which include battleground comments(Azerbaijanophobia=calling someone a racist), your WP:TENDENTIOUS editing at Safavid dynasty, your inability to read and comprehend English, etc, etc. Yes, please take this to an admin's talk page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear:, Before answer your first claim, you prove me that I called LouisAragon as a racist since I didn't say anything about him, but said about his opinion since his sentence was hateful towards Azerbaijan like that "Non-RS nonsense. These are the same "historians" who claim that Iran and Armenia are "ancient Turkic lands", and that anything from Derbent to Urmia, Zanjan, to Kars etc is part of "Bütöv Azərbaycan" that used to exist "since times immemorial". No self respecting Western historian takes these "books" serious. Azerbaijani (SSR and post 1991) and Tsarist/Soviet Russian sources are mostly packed with agenda-loaded propaganda, refuted/debunked by leading scholars in the West." And before answering to second claim, I ask you for proof that my edit Safavids' final date is Tendentious. To answer your third second claim, my English is in B1 level[1], which I think is enough to be an English speaking wiki editor. What about those <etc, etc> - write also them, I wonder about them. Oh, and I don't know how to move section from page to page, so it's nice of you, if you would move this section to one of admins' page. Shahanshah5 (talk) 08:46, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

"but said about his opinion since his sentence were hateful towards Azerbaijan" uh ? So if another Wiki user makes any remark about the unreliable sources you provide on this encyclopedia, then he/she is "hateful towars Azerbaijan" ? Nice job, you just proved that you're not here to build to an encycolpedia, since you can't stand any contradiction.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:09, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Wikaviani:, it's ok if some user consider any sources as unreliable but it's not ok when they brand the stamp of propaganda on the sources while they haven't high rated RS which also consider the sources as propaganda. Shahanshah5 (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Already shown you (on my talk page) a high RS source supporting the unreliability of many Azerbaijanis/Turkish sources.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:47, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Wikaviani:, that source isn't high RS source, check its publisher here [1] and also here [2] Shahanshah5 (talk) 08:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

And with that nonsensical comment, we have all the evidence we need to prove this particular editor is not here to build an encyclopedia. I see no reason for further dialogue with this individual, any continued disruptive editing should be reported to an Admin. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: right now I invite here @EdJohnston: to introduce him all the your evidence. Shahanshah5 (talk) 08:53, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

December 2018

Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. There is a long list of articles you edited without providing any reliable sources. Stop it. Thanks. ---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:46, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikaviani I used non-rs source not knowing, (but that wasn't non-rs at all) only when I just joined English wikipedia, but later I always was using mostly Cambridge, sometimes Oxford sources. So I'm pretty curious about that what kind of list is where is collected long list of articles I edited without providing any reliable sources.Shahanshah5 (talk) 06:22, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

here is an example of unsourced addition.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I think you need to be more attentively about since there I citated source of Russian Azerbaijan, 1905–1920 The Shaping of a National Identity in a Muslim Community, page 2. Cambridge University Press. Shahanshah5 (talk) 04:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikaviani, I would like to see my other edits from that long list. Shahanshah5 (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

As far as i can see, your source was outdated.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:08, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikaviani, why you think that's outdated? I and again repeat, show me my other edits from that long list of unreliable sourced ones.

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Finally. Shahanshah5 (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello Shahanshah5, thank you for responding to the ANI complaint. Unfortunately your remarks were deleted by another editor who didn't like that you interleaved your answers with the original complaint. If it's not too much trouble, can you please leave another response, but open up a new section? That way you won't be breaking up the previous text with your changes. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello @EdJohnston:, thanks for notification. I would like that has the another editor a Wiki right to deleting my answers? If yes, I would like to read that Wiki policy. Shahanshah5 (talk) 11:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

See WP:TPO which says: "Generally, you should not break up another editor's text by interleaving your own replies to individual points.." Instead of interleaving, you can write a single long answer at the bottom of the discussion and quote the individual points that you are replying to. This will make it easier to follow. EdJohnston (talk) 14:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I see, @EdJohnston:. I'll open an section on ANI. Shahanshah5 (talk) 11:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Topic ban

Per this ANI discussion, you've been topic banned for six months from "all topics related to the Middle East, the Caucasus region and the Iranian/Turkic world". Please see WP:TOPICBAN for information on what this means. If you wish to appeal the topic ban, you can file a request at WP:AN, but it's usually best to build up a history of constructive edits to other topics before making an appeal. If you have doubts about what articles fall under this topic ban, you should consult an administrator before editing. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2019 (UTC)