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Conduct of Mister Wiki editors case closed[edit]

This arbitration case, for which you were named as a party, has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.

Please note that you are named in the following remedies:

6.1) Soetermans is prohibited from reviewing articles for creation drafts, or moving AfC drafts created by other editors into mainspace. This restriction can be appealed in 12 months.
8) Soetermans is warned that further breaches of WP:COI will be grounds for sanctions including blocks, in accordance with community policies and guidelines.

For the Arbitration Committee, Mdann52 (talk) 19:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing articles[edit]

Don't remove entire sections from articles, don't make drastic changes without prior talk page discussion (unless they can be construed as "bold editing" as per Wiki rules) and provide better edit messages than "Nuked" without any further explanation. Reading your user page it's painfully obvious you know all about Wikipedia rules so there's no excuse for you to act this way. Since this is your first obvious malicious edit I won't report you to the vandalism board.

This is concerning this edit in particular, which is unacceptable behavior from a paid community member. 2804:431:F705:AE3E:A62:66FF:FE99:6A71 (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi 2804:431:F705:AE3E:A62:66FF:FE99:6A71,
I should've used WP:TNT as an edit summary: blow it up and start over. It was a whopping 10,000 characters long plot description, that's why I "nuked" it. That's not vandalism. Also, I'm not being paid by the community. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

That section was very long, yes, but in no way "hopelessly irreparable, damaged beyond fixing" as stated in WP:TNT nor it would take "more effort to fix than to start over". In cases where this is open to interpretation please discuss it first on the article's talk page. You cannot perform borderline-vandalism actions and tell us it's actually a Wikipedia-sanctioned way of working. This is most definitely not the spirit or scenario WP:TNT is meant for. 2804:431:F705:AE3E:A62:66FF:FE99:6A71 (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Untappd[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Untappd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. SilkTork (talk) 19:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Solo: A Star Wars Story[edit]

Hi, you changed the italics on an external link from "Solo: A Star Wars Story", and the change resulted in the link no longer working:

I fixed it, Damiantgordon (talk) 17:21, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Adventure video games[edit]

Hey Soetermans, hope everything's going great!

Just passing through. Please don't remove reviews and other important links from the "External links" sections of adventure video game articles. As they are from the 90's and early 00's, it is very hard to locate sources due to lost websites and such. It took a substantial amount of time to collect all of those sources and I would appreciate for my efforts to not be wasted.

In addition, you have removed many reliable reviews in the "Critical Reception" review templates from some articles that I have worked on. Please don't do that.

Thanks! :D--Coin945 (talk) 01:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Coin945,
Thanks for your friendly message. I'll try to reply later today, I'm on my phone and looking up diffs in different tabs is a pain. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 10:18, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I look forward to getting your reply soon. :)--Coin945 (talk) 03:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Oh hey @Coin945, I haven't found the time to get behind a PC, sorry about that! I see you've reverted a couple of my edits. If I remember, it was more along the lines of that the links could be used as references, instead of bare external links. So reverting is okay, what I took out wasn't inappropriate or anything. If I come across the articles again in the future, I'll message you. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:00, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Alice: Madness Returns production budget[edit]

You removed production budget from the Alice: Madness Returns page entirely in 2017.[1] . Why didn't you move this information elsewhere instead? The source was reliable, the director and the franchise creator American McGee's comment on Reddit.

Generally every film page has the production budget in the infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courtesy-of (talkcontribs)

Hi @Courtesy-of:,
That one line in the lead? Even if it's factual, it's not notable to mention. I'm not sure why you're asking about it now: besides the fact that it was in July 2017, it was reverted two weeks later. That the infobox on film articles has a field for a budget has nothing to do with the lead on video game articles. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


Killer Queen Locations Removal[edit]

Hi Soetermans!

I undid your removal of the Killer Queen locations. I know you had cited WP:NOTGUIDE, which I can understand but I wish you had hit up a talk page to discuss it before removing so much content. I'm happy to work on reworking the information on the page but wish we could have talked it out first before so much information was removed. I'll work on making improvements now to see if there's a way I can work in the info on locations without making it feel like a guide. Thanks! :)

Best, Trellar (talk) 20:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Creation Club references on Doomguy and BFG articles.[edit]

You've been removing references to Doomguy and the BFG being in Fallout 4's Creation Club. Just because it's a microtransaction that's not already in the game doesn't mean it's not worth mentioning. So what if it's probably not canon to the Doom or Fallout series? It's not like Brutal Doom, which is an unlicensed third-party mod that anyone could download for free. Canon or not, anything that made it into Creation Club is officially sanctioned by Bethesda Softworks, just like how Final Doom was officially sanctioned by id Software (even though they didn't develop it). If it's notable, officially sanctioned, and had some sort of commercial release (that includes digital), then it deserves a mention on the article. (talk) 21:18, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not talking about canon or whether or not it's "official". Actually, there are no references, as it's unsourced. Without reliable, third-party coverage it can't be added. That you've noticed there's a BFG or Doomguy DLC, is your own conclusion. So far, it looks like a minor detail, not worth mentioning. But if you want to try to find the sources, go ahead. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:45, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Upcoming changes to wikitext parsing[edit]


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Thank you for all the good things you do for the English Wikipedia. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of SnackNation for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article SnackNation is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SnackNation until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. SmartSE (talk) 17:08, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


Hey. So, I don't mind restoring the article for you, but only if you intend on cleaning it up right away. I'm not sure if you saw it before it was deleted, but it wasn't really in very good shape. Personally, if it were me, and I were motivated to edit the article, I'd just start from scratch, which at least you could do knowing that neither I nor Bbb23 were be opposed to. It's written more like a wikia/gameguide type thing. But anyways, let me know your thoughts. Sergecross73 msg me 14:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Sergecross73,
I thought I edited it a bit before, but perhaps I'm mistaken. I have no intention of putting to much effort in it, no. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:52, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
It looks like you made a singular edit to it a week or so back. Considering its in bad shape and was made by a sock, I think it should remain deleted for now, without any prejudice towards recreation if a non-sock editor goes for it someday. Sergecross73 msg me 15:08, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:SnackNationLogo.png[edit]


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Disambiguation link notification for May 31[edit]

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Why did you remove the the Youtube channel for the FLOW entry?[edit]

I looked at entries for other groups and they had the group's Youtube channel.

Can you please provide a reference as to why that isn't allowed.

Thank you,

Tjfoth (talk) 01:05, 2 June 2018 (UTC)TJFoth

(talk page watcher) WP:ELNO #10 and WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. When linking to the official webpage, we don't link to other official social media sites that are linked from that official website. -- ferret (talk) 01:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Blade Strangers[edit]

Hi there! I know you did some cleanup work on the Blade Strangers page a few weeks ago. I just gave it a heavy overhaul, and I was hoping you could spot-check my sources, make sure they're all verifiable? I know there's at least two I'm not sure of, but with one being an official press release and the other being an interview with the publication, I'm not sure there's a suitable substitute. Also, would you be so kind as to replace the existing cover image with the final box art of the game recently revealed by Nicalis? Thanks very much. -- (talk) 17:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm working right now, but I'll try to go over your edits later tonight or tomorrow (I'm at Central European Time). Kind regards, soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Much obliged; I really appreciate it. On that note, I found a video interview with the game's producer that clarifies a number of things not listed in any of the other included sources, such as the game's composer (@ 38:56) and how the Heat Up system works (@ 22:33). Obviously, this video probably doesn't qualify under what we would traditionally consider a reliable source, but seeing as how these statements are from a direct interview with the creator, is it acceptable to leave them as part of the article until a more traditional source can be found, such as the game's credits or a review from a major outlet? -- (talk) 20:24, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, the article and sources used look pretty good to me. To prove notability, we need several reliable third-party sources. With Polygon, Destructoid and Game Informer I'd say that's covered. For additional information, official websites and press releases can be used as well. I'm not too familiar with image policy, so I'm afraid I can't help you out with that. While not a reliable source necessarily, I wouldn't discredit the YouTube interview. Hope this helps. Kind regards, soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

quick note[edit]

On noting the lack of reviews for Fortnite, the game is still in early access, so there are no reviews yet (plus , Fortnite BR sorta overshadowed it when it was just getting up to speed). --Masem (t) 13:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


When a piece of art is commonly known by a shortened title, it should stay in the lead, like at The Avengers (2012 film). Thanks. — Film Fan 17:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Film Fan:, can you provide a relevant guideline to back up your claim? WP:BOLDSYN says "Only the first occurrence of the title and significant alternative titles (...) are placed in bold" (bold my emphasis). Is shortening Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan to Jack Ryan a "significant alternative title"? To me, dropping Tom Clancy's is not an alternative title. MOS:TVLEAD doesn't mention an "also known as". The IMDb entry says it's released as Jack Ryan in Spain, Germany and Poland. Is that notable to mention? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Of course it's an alternative title. And imdb lists those as "alternative titles" to "Tom Clancy", albeit they are the same, because the primary entry is "Tom Clancy". — Film Fan 18:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Emphasis on "significant", @Film Fan:. How is that a significant alternative title? And what guideline says we should mention the alternative name in three countries? I'm primarily concerned with video game articles. While the full title is The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, the lead does not state that it is commonly referred to as just Skyrim, because when reading Skyrim there's no confusion. Same as The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, it doesn't mention that is commonly called "just" Ocarina of Time. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
It's significant because it is the WP:COMMONNAME. And like I said, it is not the title in three countries. It is the primary title in almost every country. Also, I don't like video games, which are irrelevant to this conversation, but I will add that those titles you mention are not preceded by possessives, such as this one. Possessives are rarely the common names. — Film Fan 19:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
WP:COMMONNAME is for article titles, not a guideline for mentioning other names. But sure, I can imagine it being the common name. But why is it important to make the difference between Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan and Jack Ryan? What WP:GUIDELINE says so? Can you cite one? Also, concerning video games, there's Tom Clancy's The Division. And while it is commonly referred to as The Division, the article doesn't have to mention it, because it's the common name. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

One Thousand Children The youtube videos cited contain relevant material and should not be deleted[edit]

Dear Soetermans, In One Thousand Children you deleted a section called "Videos." I have put it back again, and added additional lead-in text. Several of these videos present personal testimony that demonstrates the psychological impact of the often traumatic OTC experience. Others of the videos present more background facts. Please do not remove these videoosKacser (talk) 23:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC) again. THANK YOU. Kacser (talk) 23:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)Kacser

Hi @Kacser:,
For an issue or question about a specific article, using its talk page is preferred. Since you've brought it up on my talk page, I haven't edited the article in a while. I see you removed the {{Essay}} template. It is however still not up to Wikipedia's standards. A section is titled "Holocaust Child Survivors and Hidden Children, OTC similarities to Hidden Children, OTC are Child Survivors of the Holocaust" – that's the name of a section, and it's confusing, vague and redundant. Me removing some links to YouTube videos in the external links section should be your least concern. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 00:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)