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@Kautilya3: Thanks :) would take utmost care to follow all the instructions in the future. Onkuchia (talk) 05:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shivaji Origin[edit]

whose credibility are you talking about... here

The Bhosles are Rajputs

The Kshatriya origin of the family of Shivaji has been proved from the sanads. A few other contemporary evidences may be mentioned here:

1. Shiva Bharat I. 41-42; II. 59; XXIV. 74. Maloji and

Shahji are described as belonging to the Solar dynasty.

2. Parnal Partatgrahan Akhyan gives Sisodia as the family

of Shivaji.

3. Sabkasad (P. 82): Pure Kshatriya Sisodia family of the

north.

4. B/iu&han's Shivaraj: Maloji is born of the best Kshattriya

Solar family of the Sisodias. 5-6 couplets.

5. Shahji calls himself a Rajput in a letter addressed

to the King of Bijapur. Doc. 710 in P. S. S.

6. Bhundhela Memoirs, Scott's History of the Dekkan, p. 4:-

Sisodia Rajputs.

7. Khafi Khan: Descended from the Ranas of Chittor.

8. RamchandrapanC* Royal Edict: Describes Shivaji as an

ornament of the Kshattriyas.

9. Radha-Madhav-Vilas Champui This book was written by

Jayaram between 1654-58 and its testimony is most trustworthy.


190 SHIVA ji THE GREAT

Shahji Bhosla descended from Sisodia Rajputs-pp. 257, 268, 269, 270. That he belongs to the solar dynasty, is mentioned on pages 267, 269.

10. Gaurishankar-Ojhai in his History of Rajputana Vol. II,

514 on the basis of Rajput sources traces the Bhosles to the Sisodias

11. An English letter: O f 28th November 1659 describes Sevagy

" a great Rashpoote." Shivaji Vol. I. P. 54; Nos. 20, 24 of P. S. S.

12. An English letter, of 10th December 1659: Rashpootes

are differentiated from other Hindus. Shivaji Vol. I. P. 51.

13. Tod's Rajasthan Vol. I. gives the geneological tree of

Shivaji wherein Ajeysi or Ajayasinha is the founder of this new branch. ( Pp. 225, 288. Madras Edition 1873).

14. RusseVs Castes and Tribes of C. P. Vol. IV. P. 200:

11 In 1836 Mr. Enthoven states the Sesodia Rana of Udepur, the head of the purest Rajput houses, was satisfied from the inquiries conducted by an agent that the Bhonsles and certain other families had a right to be recognized as Rajputs. "

15. A letter of the Maharana of Udepur:

This result of the enquiry is to be had in the two letters published in the Sidhanta Vijaya by Mr. Dongre. There is a letter from the Maharana of Udepur and another from the Royal Priest Amreshwar of Udepur to Maharaj Shri Pratapsinha of Satara. Therein it is said that " you are our near kindred. No difference regarding matters of that and this place is to be kept in mind. Originally we are one."


THE BHOSALES ARE RAJPUTS 191

16. Historical Sketch of the Native States of India byCol. G.B.

Malleson ( 1875 ). Pp. 254-255: "According to Maratha tradition Shivaji claimed descent from that branch of the Royal Family of Udaipur, which reigned in Dongarpur. One of the disinherited sons of the thirteenth ruler of that family left his father's house for Bijapur, entered the services of the king of that place, and was recompensed for his services by the grant of the district of Mudhol comprising eighty-four villages and the title of Raja. This man who was called Sujunshi had four sons, from the youngest of whom, Sugaji, Sivaji claims to be directly descended. "

17. Historical Sketch of the Princes of India by Clunes. P. 130:

" One of the latter, named Sujansee, came to the Deccan and entered the service of the king of Bijapur, who conferred upon him the district of Moodhul comprising 84 villages with the title of Rajah. Sujunsee had four sons; Bajee Raja, in whose line descended the Mudholkar Estate; the second died without family; from Wolubsye is Ghorpuray of Kapsi; Sugajee, theyoungest, had a son named Bhosajee, from whom are derived all the Bhonslays. 1 He had ten sons, the eldest settled at Deoolgaor, near Patus, the Patel of which Maloojee Raja, was an active partisan under the king of Ahmednagar, and had a jahageer conferred upon him,

1. Even the very name ' Bhosla' is indicative of the origin of the dynasty, as it is an abbreviation of Bhaswatkula on the authority of the 'Shahendra Vilasam, and Sangita Saramritam. In an other couplet he is described as a descendant ol Rama and his successors. The Sahitya Manjnsha tells us that Shivaji belong- ed to the Kaushika gotra. Maloji is called an ornament of the Solar race in the San&ta Makraiida ( Shivaji Nibandhavali I, p. 33). Bhosla can be a deriva- tion ot 'Bhaswatkula' on the analogy of Deva-Kula= Devula, the 't' being dropped as in PratipadaPadwa. Then Bhasa- ula Bhasola= Bhosala.


192 SHIVAJI THE GREAT

which descended to his son Shahajee, afterwards a principal Maratha leader, under the Bijapoor dynasty. He acquired, in the Jahagir, nearly the whole of what now forms the Collectorship of Poona, together with the part of the territory now under Satara and it was in these valleys that his son, Shivaji, matured his plan of Hindu independent sovereignty."

There are many inaccuracies in this account, yet the central fact of Shivaji's Rajput origin is undisputed.

Kunbi hoslaya is entirely frabricated by kannada historian for them even founder of Vijaynagar were Hoslaya Read more here--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shivaji/Archive_3


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Edit war[edit]

Stop edit warring on Khalistan movement. Lead already says they are separatist and your additional definitions read like POV. Discuss your edits instead of edit warring. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 18:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dheerajmpai23: The content is supported by several reliable scholarly sources. Extremism and Khalistan is a widely discussed topic in academic writing. Separatism doesn't necessarily mean there's no extremism. Stop reverting the changes without any legitimate reasons Stormbird (talk) 18:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of what "sources" say there is no guarantee that verification would always warrant inclusion. "Separatism" the word itself contain all forms of activities that this editor particularly wants to specify in violation of WP:UNDUE. His edit is a WP:SYNTH to some extent. It is POV pushing and edit warring over such problem edit reduces chances of credibility. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 11:01, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Don't repost the comments on my talk page. The topic is being discussed on [the talk page] Stormbird (talk) 17:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You have been already warned above and you have already made 3 reverts. If you reverted again then I will report you. Consensus is clearly against your edits so I would recommend you to stop edit warring and find a convincing argument in place of repeating yourself. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 01:32, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Harmanprtjhj: No consensus has been made yet. You've yet to add anything valuable to the talk page discussion. The mere accusation is not enough. In such cases as per the rules someone can undo your tendentious reverts. In case you failed to provide any legitimate clarification on the claims you make, the sourced material will be restored. And kindly refer WP: HARASSMENT to know how to be civil and not to threaten other editors. Stormbird (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Your deletions at Onam have been reverted. They were duly sourced before another editor removed them. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Air India Flight 182[edit]

Hey Stormbird, I strongly agree with your well reasoned argument about "Canadian terrorists" issue on Air India Flight 182, and you have worked hard in providing Very High Quality WP:RS sources . Your version was unfairly edited & deleted by the Ghost.. editor without any logical reason, but we will get back on that issue a little later. I think, more importantly, the Page Title itself hides the Bombing aspect & needs to be changed. I have put in an RFC for name change to "Air India Flight 182 bombing". Let's fix the page title first, and then work on restoring your stable version. Please take a minute for the RFC. Also, will appreciate your input on Hardeep Singh Nijjar page, if you get some time. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 06:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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