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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	This is a token of appreciation for your work on the ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi pages, where your many contributions have been unfailingly helpful and your vigilance and attention to detail much appreciated. P123ct1 (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

You don't know how much this means to me. I feel like I want to cry. - Technophant (talk) 20:39, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

P123ct1 What happened to my farewell message on the ISIS talk page? Was it removed? - Technophant (talk) 21:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Why do you ask that question, when the diff you provide shows you obviously know the answer? Article talk pages are for discussing the article, not melodramatic retirement messages.--Atlan (talk) 22:41, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I never even saw it on the page, but Atlan removed it on 24 July at 2.54 UTC saying, "This page is not for goodbye messages". Please reconsider resigning - after all, the block decision has not been settled yet, has it? It would be a pity to let one bad experience on one Wikipedia page stop you editing altogether. As you said, you had such a good experience on our pages, so why not on possibly countless others in the future? I can understand exactly why you feel as you do (...) but as I said before I really think the trouble stems from the subject. I still can't find my long post, but someone on the Help Desk has told me how I might track it down. Does this ban mean you can't even go to the ISIS/al-Baghdadi pages? (Gone midnight here in the UK.) --P123ct1 (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

user:P123ct1 My topic ban only pertains to the area of alternative medicine, specifically acupuncture, so areas pertaining to ISIS, Iraq, and middle-eastern studies are perfectly ok as far as I know. Atlan Your reason for removal of my talk page entry mentioned re my farewell notice is not sustained by PAG. There is no such thing as wp:nofarewells but there are WP:PRINCIPLES. I recommend you restore the edit and the help desk. I am the most experienced contributor on the ISIS page and part of most every discussion regarding sources, PAG etc. Notifying the ISIS team about my block/ban/resignation is appropriate and relevant to the growth of the article. Congratulating fellow contributors is appropriate as well. Please don't try to "make me disappear". No good can come from this. - Technophant (talk) 01:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It's not an appropriate place for a farewell message, plain and simple. There is no such thing as an "ISIS team" that needs to know what you are doing at all times. You are not the "most experienced contributor" on the ISIS page, at least not by any way I can measure that (not that it matters). The way you're putting it, it would seem the ISIS page should fall into chaos once the great Technophant stops editing there. While I certainly think you are a positive force on the ISIS pages, you are greatly exaggerating your influence there. And why would you want a farewell message anyway? It seems to me that once unblocked, you would gladly go back to editing there.--Atlan (talk) 10:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

There's no WP:Nofarewells but there is WP:DFTD which may be a reason some people don't look kindly on publicized farewell messages. I don't like that essay myself, and my favorite essay on the subject isn't on Wikipedia at all: meatball:GoodBye. ~Adjwilley (talk) 03:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

user:P123ct1, I know this whole block/ban thing seems confusing. It is to me as well. Editors have just as much right as admins to make add your opinions regarding policies, blocks, bans, and noticeboard discussions. You can also try to bring this issue to the awareness of other editors or the community at large as long as you follow the wp:canvassing guidelines. I'm very proud of you P, you've shown a lot of heart and determination. My ability to edit is confined to my talk page for as long as the block lasts, however I'm free to edit any other Wikimedia project including Commons. Keep up the good work, I hope to be back soon. - Technophant (talk) 01:59, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I am horrified at Atlan's unkind words. I some time ago came to the conclusion (from looking at other user pages and talk pages) that Wikipedia can be a snakepit. It almost put me off editing once. I cannot imagine what it must be like being at the receiving end of such unpleasantness. --P123ct1 (talk) 15:21, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I said he is a positive force on the ISIS page, but that he is exaggerating this fact. First as leverage for an unblock, then as a reason for special treatment on the article talk page. Oh my how unkind. I'm quite the snake.--Atlan (talk) 07:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipe>゜Ͻ～～～～～～ - Technophant (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Atlan I was referring to your hostile tone. --P123ct1 (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I am predisposed to sarcasm and I am also not one to mince words, but don't mistake that for hostility please.--Atlan (talk) 19:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Not mincing words is fine - I agree with that - though sarcasm can be hurtful! But I take your point - P123ct1 (talk) 21:14, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@User:P123ct1 Due to politics that are beyond my understanding and control I will not be coming back to edit ISIS or any other pages anytime in the near future. My farewell was NOT insincere, was NOT directing anger at other editors and I would like you to restore the banned user Atlan's bad faith removal. If you don't feel comfortable with that please restate my farewell and thanks in your own words. Thx. - - Technophant (talk) 04:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@User:Technophant I am sorry to hear the trouble continues; I was hoping you would be back soon. I have written a message on the ISIS Talk page, saying more or less what you said - are you able to read it? I am a little nervous about getting you into even deeper water here. I have been having trouble of my own, arising from a disagreement I had with an editor over a very contentious edit in ISIS; you can read about it on the Talk page. It had massive fall-out for the editor concerned! Look forward to hearing from you. --P123ct1 (talk) 07:13, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@P123ct1 mmmkay, lots to consider here. Yes I can read any page I wish, however I can only edit this one. First your edit: "Technophant has been away from this page for some time now and perhaps other editors have noticed his absence. He has decided to reitre from editing on Wikipedia owing to a topic ban he has had from editing on alternative medicine. He passes on his congratulations to the editors who have been working on the ISIS article for their efforts in improving it and says that working on this page with others been one of the best experiences he has had editing in Wikipedia. I shall miss him on the ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi pages, as he was a tireless contributor, always helpful to others and found many ways to improve the article." Actually I'm only considering retiring and I've been informed that I could get unblocked in a few weeks. If that's the case, and the weird gawkers and morbid onlookers take the sage advice of User:BoboMeowCat and User:Dennis Brown for "all involved removed each other's talk pages from their watchlists as a proactive step toward ending all this ongoing drama." then I do want to come back. and btw, I only announced that I was considering retirement, it's obvious that I enjoy contributing and having positive experiences with editors like you on Iraq related pages have somewhat restored my faith that WP CAN be what it it's founders intended it to be (and so much more).

Next take a look at the the list of top contributors on ISIS. There's a problem here - nobody is an admin. On the talk page count, admin User:Dougweller (at #7), seems to have stepped into the role of moderator. It would be best if another experienced editor with a decent reputation, sizable number of contribs, has a good grasp on wp:PAG, etc. is nominated and confirmed to be an admin. It is always best to have an admin(s) on board to block/ban, correct errant contributors and help keep the peace and stability of the article. Things had been flowing along quite well, however due to the number of page views, the subject matter, importance and strong emotions tied to Iraq's history/future problems can/will arise. I think it's acceptable to exceed 1 revert if the editor you are reverting is going against a consensus decision made on the talk page or fails to use the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle system and is disruptive. You can always use the appropriate notice board, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard, WP:AN/3RR WP:COIBOARD, and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard are all good ones for this article. - Technophant (talk) 01:20, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

P123ct1 Please email me so we can continue our conversation. There's been discussion of putting full page protection on my talk page, something I would support as long as I can continue to work with a small number of productive editors who come here to discuss issues regarding the WikiProjects I'm involved in. - Technophant (talk) 04:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)