User talk:TedBrengel

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Mira Mesa maps

Someone keeps uploading incorrect maps of the San Diego Community of Mira Mesa with no authoritative source cited. There is one (and only one) authoritative source for community boundaries within the City of San Diego and that is the San Diego General Plan^[1] of which the Mira Mesa Community Plan^[2] is a part. Maps from any other source are simply not valid as descriptions of community boundaries.

On the other hand the neighborhoods that comprise communities are basically set more or less arbitrarily mainly by people living within each neighborhood. Maps of these neighborhoods are sometimes made without regard to actual community boundaries for various purposes. One of these purposes is Police Beat Maps. The boundaries depicted on such maps are driven by the police station locations relative to neighborhoods and the resources assigned to each station. They have absolutely nothing to do with actual community boundaries.

I believe that the erroneous maps of the Mira Mesa Community being posted are actually SanGIS maps with a police beat overlay applied. SanGIS when queried about such maps takes no responsibility for their content because there are a great many overlays that may be applied to any given map and SanGIS has no control over the content of the overlays. Therefore, the mere fact that a map comes from SanGIS does not ipso facto make the map authoritative.

Authoritative maps of San Diego communities come only from the City of San Diego. The repository for these maps is the General Plan previously cited.

TedBrengel (talk) 15:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)Ted Brengel[reply]

Mira Mesa article

Hello, TedBrengel, and welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed that you and one or more other users have been engaged it an edit war recently at the page Mira Mesa, San Diego. Wikipedia discourages edit warring, and if carried to an extreme it can get a person banned from Wikipedia entirely. I am inviting those of you that have been reverting each other's changes, to please come to the article's Talk Page and work out what it is that you disagree over, and let's reach WP:Consensus on what we want to say. I'll help if needed; I am a person interested in San Diego neighborhoods but with no connection to Mira Mesa. --MelanieN (talk) 15:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Mira Mesa Article

Melanie, thanks for trying to keep the powder dry. This is an emotional issue and I am indeed an involved party. The group in our community is using tactics I have seen before to try to get to a place where they never have to acknowledge that they are in any way associated with Mira Mesa. This is because their homes are some of the newest ones in the community and cost more than homes built just a few years before theirs. Since they are in an area of Mira Mesa that they feel can be logically divided from the rest they don't want to be part of the community anymore. This seems a little crazy to us because their neighborhood has no parks or open space, no schools and only one very small shopping area. They want so very much to be able to say we are out here on our own, but the plain truth is that unless they make special arrangements with SDUSD their children who go to public school will attend schools in the Mira Mesa Cluster. This is not really a bad thing as our schools rank second only to those of La Jolla within the San Diego Unified School district. Unfortunately the Sorrento Valley people are overlooking little things like that.

Someone in their group is planting false information and getting the others really upset. The notion, for example, that the boundaries of the community were changed to subsume Sorrento Mesa, is just plain false. Those boundaries are just as they were when I moved here from Coronado twenty-two years ago and just as they were some years later when the homes along Sorrento Valley Boulevard were planned and built. With regard to anything we or I have done or will do to any of them I am baffled. I wish them all the best. If I detect even the slightest amount of retaliation in any member of our group I assure you, it will be stopped forthwith. I think that is most unlikely though. Ultimately, when we all stop spitting at one another over this crackpot disinformation, we will have to sit down and come to agreements as to how we will conduct business together. There is no doubt in my mind that that day will come soon.

So while these issues do make my blood boil I will never stoop to placing anything but provable, factual, relevant, properly reference information on Wikipedia. As I write these words, however, I am reminded that some of those with whom I have disagreed actually believe all this nonsense about changes to the Community Plan. The difference is that I have been a member of the planning group for over twenty years and was the chair for ten years. I am certain that if one asks the Development Services Department Staff for a record of changes that have been made to the Mira Mesa boundaries over time, the record will reflect that none have been made for over twenty years. If you like I can request such a record through the City Council Office.

The only thing that I want to inject into the Wikipedia Mira Mesa page is an enthusiasm for accuracy and completeness. I noticed in passing that the page has some additional problems that have nothing to do with land use. I'll be looking into those over the next couple of weeks and see if we can get a few improvements made. Incidentally, that land use map that you mentioned is a public document. It is truly page 5 of the Current Mira Mesa Community Plan^[3]. That can be easily verified with only a few keystrokes.

TedBrengel (talk) 01:25, 19 September 2013 (UTC)Ted Brengel[reply]

September 2013

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[1] ttp://www.sandiego.gov/planning/genplan/

[2] ttp://www.sandiego.gov/planning/community/profiles/miramesa/plan.shtml

[3] ttp://www.sandiego.gov/planning/community/profiles/miramesa/pdf/miramesa042611c.pdf

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