User talk:The Great Veritas

Please discuss your additions in the discussion page. Just because this is free; does not mean you can insert a POV, unless it is properly referenced and worded. - Roy Boy ⁸⁰⁰ 21:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please adhere to our NPOV policy on the article Mao Zedong. Everyking 22:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

3 Revert Rule[edit]

You should be aware that there is a three revert rule with Wikipedia. Your reversions of Mao Zedong could result in your account being blocked. Try and resolve the issue on the article's talk page. --PhilipO 22:56, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked.[edit]

You have been blocked for 24 hours for violation of the three-revert rule. If you have any questions about this block, leave them here, and I will answer them as soon as I can. Ral 315 W_S 23:25, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, very dissapointing I have to say....There is nothing controversial in what I was saying. It was not a POV. Historian after historian has stated the same thing. That he was indeed a murderer and the torture methods he employed against his enemies was a fact. Therefore you cannot be neutral here. there is no neutral position! What I have ststed here is the truth. Do not allow this dictionary to be dictated by Chinese communist propoganda. There are thousands of students still rotting in jail for stating their beliefs and criticising the government there. Remember that. The Great Veritas 06:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it wasn't a POV...I have no personal opinion on the contents of your edits. The point is, Wikipedia has a limit of 3 reverts, and you violated it- that's why you were blocked. Your views had nothing to do with the block. When your block expires, you may edit as you wish, but make sure to limit yourself to 3 reverts or less, or you will likely be blocked again. Ral 315 W_S 16:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Avoiding an Edit War[edit]

Hey. I'm hoping I can reach a settlement between you and Yiyu Chen, so as to avoid another edit war; after all, you're both quite new to the project, and frankly, edit wars are annoying to the witnesses as well as to the participants.

The thing to understand is, this is an encyclopedia. All the entries have to sound properly neutral, no matter what they're about. You've added facts and notions, yes, but not in a very effective way.

Here is my suggested version of the text that you wanted to insert and Yiyu Chen wanted to delete.

"Mao has also been criticized for his role in creating a cult of personality. Some analysts believe that he fabricated many myths about his background and youth, to enhance his image as a true "people's hero". It has also been suggested that details relevant to key events in the Long March, in particular the 1935 Battle of Luding Bridge, were falsified.

As well, Mao is widely held responsible for the millions of deaths that occurred during his lifetime - both indirectly, as a result of flawed policies during the Three Bitter Years, and directly, as a result of power struggles and the execution of those who were linked to his opponents and rivals.

Contemporary views about him in the PRC are affected by bans on works that criticise Mao heavily. The controversial "Mao: the Unknown Story", by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday, provides a far less flattering picture of Mao than the Chinese authorities would like."

I think you will find this to be more acceptable; I am presenting this text to Yiyu Chen as well, in the hopes that he will likewise agree. DS 13:44, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to this wording, that is acceptable to me. Thanks for the efforts. The Great Veritas 16:04, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Yiyu has responded: he has no problem with the second paragraph, and even expanded it, adding details about what the campaigns were. As for the first paragraph, he's worried that you've been trying to imply that the Long March and the Battle of Luding never happened. I don't think you'd argue that, would you? And the third paragraph - well. See for yourself. I think you might be pleasantly surprised.

Veritas stands for truth, remember. DS 23:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I was suggesting that the Luding bridge battle was altered by Mao and supporters and was not as reported by them. So that is now clarified, I have put the ammendments in the main article. There is nothing wrong with the changes now surely. The truth is what I'm trying to ensure gets reported here, not some dubious version as put out by the CPC. The Great Veritas 11:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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