User talk:Urenob

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! Mathglot (talk) 18:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC) Mathglot (talk) 18:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The importance of secondary sources

Hi again, Urenob,

Thanks for your contribution to Axial precession, and in particular, thank you for providing a citation to a source. Unfortunately, I had to undo your change, because Wikipedia requires WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:SECONDARY sources to verify content in our articles, and you added a reference to the Mishnah Torah, which is a primary source. The problem is that the interpretation that Maimonides was talking about "Axial precession" in 3:7 was your own interpretation of a WP:PRIMARY source, and this is considered prohibited original research. If you can find a reliable, secondary source that backs up your interpretation, you may add your content back into the article, along with a citation to that source. Thanks, and if you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me on my Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 19:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback. I apologize, as I'm new to editing.

For secondary sources, I can cite the on-page "Perush" commentary in the standard edition of the Mishneh Torah who explains it exactly as the Axial Precession. He writes "The earlier scholars didn't observe any motion in the 8th sphere [me: that's the one with the fixed stars] but the later scholars observed a slow motion that moves approximately one degree per seventy years. Therefore, from the time of the deluge until now, they [me; the fixed stars in the 8th sphere] have already moved from their places that were aligned with the parts of the 9th sphere at that time. Like we sould say that the star that at that time was at the start of Taurus is now 20 degrees from Gemini". Irrsespective of the scientifically innacurate description of spheres, the Peirush is interpreting Maimonides as noting a 1-degree-per-70-year movement of the observed stars of the constelations relative to the actual consetllations. While the peirush doesn't explicitly say that the actual constellations correspond with the seasons, it is hard to find a reasonable explanation besides that one.

There are also some online articles such as this one here http://www.ajdler.com/jjajdler/fichiers/Zacut2.pdf and a book that has some exceprts on Google but that I don't actually own that interpret the Mishneh Torah there are talking about axial precession as well.

I'm not sure whether that is enough or how exactly to cite these sources. That said, I think it would be a nice addition to the article to note that this process was included in common Jewish cosmology at the time. Urenob (talk) 12:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]