User talk:VerseDoorPlace

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Parramatta

Before making any more edits, please consult with the people at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians Noticeboard. Your changes, while I am sure in good faith, are disruptive in nature. Major changes such as the ones you have made should probably be discussed first with other editors who may have different opinions. I am heading to bed so I am unable to help tonight but I can assist tomorrow if needed. Otherwise, I am sure someone at the noticeboard can assist. Regards, Mattinbgn\^talk 13:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct that Parramatta is a city but it is also a suburb.[1] It would have been wiser to create the city article separately and leave the suburb article alone, rather than move the suburb article and edit it to become a city article. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool, Campbelltown and Penrith

As Aussie legend has said above. Most of the local government areas in Sydney have been declared cities. The articles that you have altered for Parramatta, Liverpool, Campbelltown and Penrith were for the suburbs themsleves and not the city (local government area). J Bar (talk) 01:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are mistaken. When I changed the articles to reflect their status as a city this wholly reflected this status separately from their LGAs. Why did you not check the citations? Why did you not check List of Australian cities? If you did you would have clearly seen this. —VerseDoorPlace (talk) 02:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To further add to this: the aforementioned article says:

New South Wales, therefore, has two types of "city": cities which are acknowledged on the register of the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales,[4] and Local Government Areas which have been proclaimed as cities, either before or after 1993, which are not acknowledged on the NSW Geographical Names Register.

Parramatta, Liverpool, Campbelltown, Penrith are of the former type -- they are CITIES of themselves, and are recognised by the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales and not merely 'cities' by virtue of their LGAs. They are as much cities as all the other names on the list (Albury, Armidale, ...). The only difference is that they are within the Sydney metro area.

Please get your facts straight before simply reverting the extensive work I have conducted here. —VerseDoorPlace (talk) 02:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This has been a contentious issue in the past and has been discussed by wikipedia editors often in talk pages and as part of the Sydney project. Every suburb in Sydney has its own suburb article and every local government area that is considered to be a city has its own article. Parramatta is considered to be both a suburb of Sydney and city, so we keep that distinction in wikipedia. If you start making the changes to the suburb articles, you will destroy links to many, many other articles and references. If you feel so strongly about the matter, i suggest you make your point on the talk pages or join the Sydney project before making such drastic changes. J Bar (talk) 02:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Parramatta

You could have at least had the courtesy to only change the lines which pertain to Parramatta as a city (i.e. the first few lines), rather than revert the whole damn thing! The reorganisation of the article I have done is COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTIVE and is making it more consistent with Wikipedia! It is unrelated to this 'dispute'. Geez. I still believe you are completely wrong here, though. VerseDoorPlace (talk) 03:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article has had many editors working on it for many years and has developed into one of the best Sydney suburb articles. We have been doing it for a long time. The changes you made were quite drastic and changed the whole layout and format of it which made. Some of your changes/updates might be worthwhile but I admit it was easier to revert the whole thing rather than spend a whole day disputing very detail of you changes. I will have a closer look at your edits and put the worthwhile information back in. Please have a look at some other Sydney suburb articles before making such drastic changes. J Bar (talk) 03:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]