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Asin filmography[edit]

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Nominator(s): 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 13:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating a fully-sourced and well-written listing of Asin's film. As usual, look forward to lots of constructive comments... 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 13:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude[edit]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Her name should not be in bold at the start
 Done
  • "a former Indian actress" => "an Indian former actress" (she is still Indian)
 Done
  • "Asin made her acting debut at the age of 15 in Malayalam-language satirical comedy-drama" => "Asin made her acting debut at the age of 15 in the Malayalam-language satirical comedy-drama"
 Done
  • "Her performance as a Tamil girl subsequently fetched her Filmfare Best Telugu Actress Award." => "Her performance as a Tamil girl earned her the Filmfare Best Telugu Actress Award."
 Done
  • "Asin had two other Telugu releases viz. Lakshmi Narasimha (2004) and Gharshana (2004), both were successful ventures." => "Asin had two other Telugu releases: Lakshmi Narasimha (2004) and Gharshana (2004), both of which were successful ventures."
 Done
  • "Asin made her debut in Tamil film industry" => "Asin made her debut in the Tamil film industry"
 Done
  • "in 2004 action sports drama film" => "in the 2004 action sports drama film"
 Done
  • "Her role as a vivacious young model named Kalpana, won her Filmfare Best Tamil Actress Award" => "Her role as a vivacious young model named Kalpana won her the Filmfare Best Tamil Actress Award"
 Done
  • "the most notable being the action Sivakasi (2005)" - there's at least one word missing here. I presume you mean "the most notable being the action film Sivakasi (2005)"
 Done
  • "hence established herself as the leading actress of Tamil cinema" => "which established her as the leading actress of Tamil cinema"
 Done
  • "her role as a Brahmin girl from Chidambaram in" - in what? The film title is missing :-)
 Done
  • "earned her Vijay Award for Best Actress [a] nomination" => "earned her a Vijay Award for Best Actress [a] nomination"
 Done
  • "first Bollywood film to have collected more than ₹1 billion in the domestic box office" => "first Bollywood film to collect more than ₹1 billion at the domestic box office"
 Done
  • Title of London Dreams should be in italics
 Done
  • "London Dreams (2011), having ensemble cast film proved to be financially unsuccessful" - this doesn't make sense. I think what you mean to say is "London Dreams (2011), an ensemble cast film which proved to be financially unsuccessful"
Exactly
  • "Asin honoured by the Tamil Nadu government" => "Asin was honoured by the Tamil Nadu government"
 Done
  • What is SIIMA? An awards ceremony?
Yes. term linked
  • "Asin has been referred to as the "Queen of Kollywood" by online portals in 2007" - "in 2007" seems a bit unnecessarily specific. I would simply say "Asin has been referred to as the "Queen of Kollywood" by online portals during her acting career"
 Done
  • In the table, "Nominated- Filmfare" is written three different ways - space only before the dash, space only after the dash, and spaces both sides. Be consistent in how you write it.
 Done
  • The two refs against Sivanami have a space between them, delete that
 Done
  • The two notes should both start with a capital letter
 Done
  • The footnotes section is completely empty, so you may as well delete it
 Done
  • Some Entertainment Times refs have a lower case t on "times", others have a capital T. A capital would seem to be correct.
 Done
thanks a lot mate. All issues addressed. Appreciate your time.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 03:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Several are not actually done, eg it still says "Asin has been referred to as the "Queen of Kollywood" by online portals in 2007", and there is still random different spacing in the multiple uses of "Nominated -Filmfare Award". Can you give it another check and make sure you have addressed everything......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies mate. I have made common spacing like Nominated- Filmfare....Let me know if still there is miss.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 12:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ab207[edit]

Resolved comments from Ab207 (talk) 16:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
* Per 3 (b) of Featured list criteria. There seems to be a lack of inline citations, including but not limited to the following:
  • "first commercial success with the Telugu film Amma Nanna O Tamila Ammayi"
 Done
  • "Lakshmi Narasimha (2004) and Gharshana (2004), both of which were successful ventures."
 Done
The source does not seem to mention them. You may leave out the "successful ventures" part if that is easier--Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have added 2 new sources with modified sentence. Let me know if it's fine.
Yeah, They'll do.--Ab207 (talk) 18:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "M. Kumaran Son of Mahalakshmi, a critical and commercial success."
 Done
Critical success part is not supported. --Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed
  • "She then played the lead female roles in many commercially successful films," (Here "lead female role" can be replaced with just "lead role", never seen someone using "lead male role" for instance)
 Done
  • "established herself as the leading actress of Tamil cinema."
 Done
Not sure if you have noticed but this is a case of WP:CIRCULAR. Content seems to be copied from Wikipedia itself. We would need a different source.--Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
After working on several Tamil films she was casted as lead actress in movies. Could not this be a case of "her establishment of leading actress"?
The claim that those four films are commercially successful, must be sourced. As East Cost Daily is a circular reference, it should be replaced. You may use this this HTimes source.--Ab207 (talk) 18:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed
  • "Though it received mixed reviews"
 Done
Must be cited inline. --Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "first Bollywood film to collect more than ₹1 billion at the domestic box office, subsequently collecting ₹1.9 billion (US$27 million) worldwide."
 Done
  • "London Dreams (2011), an ensemble cast film which proved to be financially unsuccessful and received mixed reviews from critics."
 Done
"financially unsuccessful" has to be sourced. Avoid WP:SYNTH for critical response, the source must directly support that the film has received mixed reviews overall, as opposed to one or two critics.--Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed
Source has to directly say that the film has "received mixed reviews." For example, in Tamannaah filmography, Himmatwala's negative reception is sourced by this IBT report, which explicitly reports as such. You may also remove the review part if it's difficult to source it. There's not much value addition anyway, because most unsuccessful receive mixed or negative reviews. --Ab207 (talk) 18:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestion. I am not able to find one, so have removed. Will add if I get a source in future.
  • "Asin found further success in romantic comedy Ready (2011)"
 Done
  • " Housefull 2, which collected more than ₹1 billion."
 Done
  • "Bol Bachchan (2012) and Khiladi 786 (2012), which were also commercially successful with both grossing over ₹1 billion"
 Done
Collecting 1 billion and commercial success are different things. BOI is okay for raw data per ICTF, but for the "success" part, we'd need a different source. --Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To my knowledge commercially successful is derived by how much money a movie has earned. Nevertheless, have added.
If you don't mind. I suggest you use this Republic source for the commercial success of three films, and remove HT, DNA, and Indiaglitz (to comply with WP:CITEKILL). You can use this for London dreams' failure as well. --Ab207 (talk) 18:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. Thanks for this source. Added.
25 Cents FC, BOI gives Khiladi786 only 97 cr. Alternatively, you may write In 2012, Asin starred in the action comedies Housefull 2, Bol Bachchan and Khiladi 786, all of which were commercially successful, with the former two entering the 100 Crore Club; and cite this source as well.--Ab207 (talk) 15:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome.  Fixed
  • Dual roles and roles with more than one name may be clarified using a note. Trisha filmography can be used as a reference.
 Done
Its a dual role in Dasavathaaram IIRC. --Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed Please confirm if it's done.
Yeah, nicely done. Was it a dual role in Ready? It wasn't in the Telugu version. --Ab207 (talk) 18:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have not seen the movie. Actually article claims so.
  • The term "Queen of Kollywood" should preferably be attributed. Also, Filmibeat is not considered reliable per WP:ICTFSOURCES.
Attributed, can you please elaborate?
Yeah, says "by online portals," I guess that's fine. --Ab207 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image caption: Year and location are more significant than attire, IMO.
 Done
  • I'll follow up with the comments if I find anything else. Best wishes --Ab207 (talk) 14:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Look forward.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 11:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried to solve issues raised. Please let me know If I have missed to solve something.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 14:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support My concerns have been addressed. Good work overall. --Ab207 (talk) 16:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kailash29792[edit]

  • Asin is a former Indian actress who is known for her work in Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam and Hindi language films" - "language" may be removed since it is understood. Also, why did ChrisTheDude suggest "Indian former actress" and revert to "former Indian actress", even though he said it's because Asin is still Indian?
    • "Former Indian actress" makes it sound like she's a former Indian, which obviously isn't the case -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:43, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Asin made her debut in the Tamil film industry in the 2004 action sports drama film M. Kumaran Son of Mahalakshmi, a critical and commercial success. - change to Asin made her debut in Tamil cinema in the 2004 sports drama film M. Kumaran Son of Mahalakshmi, a critical and commercial success.
 Done
  • She then played the lead female roles in many commercially successful films, the most notable being the action film Sivakasi (2005), the dramatic thriller Varalaru (2006), the action thriller Pokkiri (2007), the romantic drama Vel (2008) and Dasavathaaram (2008), which established herself as the leading actress of Tamil cinema. you can simply say "the female lead in many commercially successful films". Also, Vel was in the action genre rather than romance (or maybe masala, which mixes various genres, but romance was certainly not the main one). Conclude this sentence with "a leading actress of Tamil cinema".
Made changes to Vel genre. We need to check a or the with @ChrisTheDude:.
I'm sure she was not the leading actress at the time. That's why I suggested a instead of the. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed
  • Though it received mixed reviews, her role as a Brahmin girl from Chidambaram in Dasavathaaram earned her a Vijay Award for Best Actress [a] nomination. change to Though Dasavathaaram received mixed reviews, her role as a Brahmin girl from Chidambaram earned her a Vijay Award for Best Actress nomination. I don't think you need a footnote describing what a Vijay Award is.
A person from USA/ Europe wouldn't know about Vijay Award, so just thought I should put a note.
We have wikilinks for that part. Tbh, they wouldn't know about Filmfare either.--Ab207 (talk) 15:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed
  • She later played the female lead in musical drama film London Dreams (2011), an ensemble cast film which proved to be financially unsuccessful and received mixed reviews from critics. Change to She later played the female lead in the musical drama London Dreams (2011), which proved to be financially unsuccessful and received mixed reviews from critics. Since it has only three leads (Salman Khan, Ajay Devgn and Asin), I don't think ensemble applies here.
 Done
  • Asin found further success in romantic comedy Ready (2011), in which she co-starred alongside Salman Khan. The film was a major hit at the box office, collecting ₹1.84 billion (US$26 million) worldwide. Change to "box office success". Also, when Salman is not mentioned for London Dreams, why is he mentioned here?
Asin played lead role for opposite Salman inReady. For London Dream she played leading lady opposite Ajay Devgan.
  • In 2012, Asin first starred in multistarrer comedy Housefull 2, which collected more than ₹1 billion. She then featured in comedies Bol Bachchan (2012) and Khiladi 786 (2012), which were also commercially successful with both grossing over ₹1 billion. Try merging both sentences into one since all three films were released in 2012, were action comedies, and grossed over ₹1 billion each. --Kailash29792 (talk) 17:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Will be glad if you suggest a sentence please.
How about this? In 2012, Asin starred in the action comedies Housefull 2, Bol Bachchan and Khiladi 786, all of which were commercially successful, grossing over ₹1 billion each. Place the refs at the end of the sentence. Also seeking input from others in this FLC about this sentence. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed Thanks.
Thank you for solving all these comments. Also, please do NOT use the publisher field for websites. Use website or work instead. All the Times of India refs must have The Times of India under work, and The Times Group under publisher. Because the publisher field is for the work's parent company. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have added ref in manner you have advised here but some of them have been done by Economic Times, Entertainment Times etc. As a result I had to mention it in other way round. Please provide a suggestion what to include under work, publisher and agency in such case.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for addressing them. Just a few more comments left: find a better source than IndiaGlitz (remove if it is redundant), and remove the awards mentioned in the table (this is because we already have List of awards and nominations received by Asin). Instead, mention any notable award in the lead section with source(s). After that this will have my support. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Filmfare nominations are not that significant to mention, in my view.--Ab207 (talk) 18:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have actually referred Deepika Padukone filmography, Shilpa Shetty filmography, Kareena Kapoor filmography, Vidya Balan filmography. Actually it won't be bad if we mention awards as it could give a reader quick idea that actress had been nominated or won so and so awards. Thoughts @Kailash29792: @Ab207: ?
Go ahead, but make sure all award statements are sourced, either in the lead section or the table. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kailash29792: I have removed awards part in notes. To be honest, I don't feel too that Filmfare nominations are having really any significant. Rather I have a added a section See also, there I have added List of awards and nominations received by Asin. Let me know what you think.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 07:25, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support: All my comments have been addressed. Please consider submitting future articles/lists at the GOCE before nominating them. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TamilMirchi[edit]

  • "earned her a Vijay Award for Best Actress nomination" is unsourced.
Not able to find one so have replaced the sentence.
  • "Her only release of 2015 was the romantic comedy All Is Well." is unsourced
 Done mentioned in table already. Adding source to each and every sentence seems strange. Anyway have added one.
  • Replace all Bollywood Hungama and Filmibeat sources with reliable sources.
Yes, Filmibeat must be replaced. However, Bollywood Hungama passes WP:RS. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. I have tried to fix it all. Let me know if something is missing.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
25 Cents FC, TamilMirchi has copied many badly formatted references from other articles. I hope you can fix/verify them. --Kailash29792 (talk) 18:27, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just trying to help. Based on the comments below by Cowlibob, references are needed that state the name of the character. Since help was needed for the South Indian films, reviews were added.TamilMirchi (talk) 19:06, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate your help mate. I am not so good with respect to South Indian Cinema.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 12:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass[edit]

  • There's somewhere in the MOS that dictates titles shouldn't be all caps (ref 2)
  • Some publishers are linked multiple times elsewhere but sometimes not linked – go through and standardize them (there isn't too many)
  • Pass for source review. Since the changes were so minor I went through and did them myself real quick. Aza24 (talk) 18:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Checked for reliability, since Rotten Tomatoes is only used once for basic statistical information, I think it's fine, though I'm not well versed in the Rotten Tomatoes policy. Aza24 (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 09:54, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*need ref for Ghajini being the first Bollywood film to make over 100 crore (1 billion rupees) at the domestic box office. Current ref does not support this. Same for it's final gross as the film's article seems to say it made 232 crore.
 Done Added a new ref
  • need ref for London Dreams being a box office flop, current ref does not support this.
 Done
  • "all of which were commercially successful, with the former two entering the 100 Crore Club". Per the reference it was Ready and Housefull 2 that grossed over 100 crore. The way it is written makes it look like Bol Bachchan also made over a 100 crore (which is currently not supported by reference).
 Done New ref added.
  • Ref for Pride of South Indian Cinema award in 2013
 Done Added
  • The whole "Queen of Kollywood" thing, I don't think should be included just sounds promotional.
Queen of Kollywood because of her contribution to films. So, I think it's perfectly fine.
  • need better ref than Rotten Tomatoes for M. Kumaran Son of Mahalakshmi role. Does not support character's name or her nomination for the award.
 Done
  • All character names need to be referenced. "Mugaambigaambaal (Chennai)" not referenced. "Kalpana" in Ghajini not referenced. "Rukhmini " in Lakshmi Narasimha not referenced. These are just examples, please check every film.

Cowlibob (talk) 13:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not getting. Can you please elaborate.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 11:38, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All information in the table needs to be verifiable. Her character's name in each film needs to be referenced. The current refs only prove that she was in the film, not the role she played. For example Sivamini, the refs only prove that she was in it not that her character's name was Vasantha. Cowlibob (talk) 11:08, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob: This is quite strange and something new. While working on Salman Khan filmography and Shilpa Shetty filmography no one asked me to add refs which could prove artist character in the film. On the other side, I referred other featured articles Deepika Padukone filmography, Kareena Kapoor filmography, Vidya Balan filmography, Sanjay Dutt filmography no such reference is there. And in fact if we refer all featured list of filmographies we wont find any such thing. Please confirm.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 08:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Information being verifiable is an important part of Wikipedia articles. I cannot comment on your previous nominations as I did not review them. A quick glance through the refs for Deepika Padukone, Kareena Kapoor and Vidya Balan lists shows they have refs verifying the role they played. Asin has started in very few films, it should be relatively straightforward to find the relevant refs and I'm happy to look as well. Good places are film review articles and film databases like Bollywood Hungama. Cowlibob (talk) 10:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Her Hindi films have Bollywood Hungama refs. For south films I am not sure if I will get one. Would be really helpful if you could help with her south films.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 11:27, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob: Please let me know if issues highlighted by you is addressed.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 14:11, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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