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The article was promoted by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 18 April 2022 [1].

Mindful (song)

Nominator(s): Aoba47 (talk) 03:25, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Mindful" is a single from K. Michelle's third studio album More Issues Than Vogue (2016). It is hip-hop and R&B song in which Michelle raps and warns critics to be mindful of her. The song does not take itself seriously, and this playful approach can be best seen in its music video which is set in a colorful trailer park. "Mindful" received positive reviews from critics, but it did not chart anywhere. Regardless, this song just stuck out with me for whatever reason.

I initially worked on this article in 2018 and brought it up to GA status at the time. Last month, I put this up for a FAC, and I received very helpful comments from @Nikkimaria:, @FrB.TG:, @ChrisTheDude:, @Pseud 14:, and @Aza24:, but I decided to withdraw the nomination because I wanted to clarify its single status. Since then, I found an official press release from Michelle's record label so I feel more confident about the article. As always, I would greatly appreciate any feedback! Aoba47 (talk) 03:25, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I supported previously and see nothing to change that now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 14:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per my last review. Except for a minor MoS adjustment I made, I have no complaint. FrB.TG (talk) 11:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! The adjustment is greatly appreciated. Aoba47 (talk) 14:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed/justified. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 14:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements look good. Support per my review in the previous nomination. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 15:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

By the time I got around to looking at the article during its last review, I felt it was ready for promotion then (although, knowing absolutely nothing of this artist, I wouldn't have noticed any lack of material). I was going to support, with perhaps a comma comment, when the nominator requested archiving, so I was unable to do so. Considering that they did not know that I was about to support promotion, I felt that was an exceptionally mature and self-reflective approach, and demonstrates a nominator who is willing to go beyond the call of duty to ensure the encyclopedia comes first in the true spirit of FAC. It was a really honorable thing to do. I am pleased to rectify my tardiness now! SN54129 16:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the kind words and for your support. I have tried to become more self-reflective and when I was uncertain about a key element of the song (i.e. its single status), I wanted to make sure that I did my due diligence to do the research and I thought it would be more respectful to do outside of the FAC space to avoid detracting from other nominations. Aoba47 (talk) 22:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully @FAC coordinators: will take into account the length of time it previously spent at FAC, and how close to promotion it was, and promote this within a reasonable period—seven days of the nom, say—to make up for it 👍 SN54129 09:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AK

Disclaimer: I haven't checked references and will be claiming credit for this at the WikiCup.
"More Issues Than Vogue (2016)" → Is listing the year necessary when you mention later the song was released as part of the album on Feb 19, 2016?

The single was actually released before the album, which was released on March 25, 2016. It is standard to include year that the album was released in this type of situation as sometimes a single can be released in a different than the actual album. The repetition is a bit annoying, but I think it is important to avoid any ambiguity or potential points of confusion. Aoba47 (talk) 13:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe link studio album.

That's a good suggestion, but I do not think it is necessary for two reasons. The concept of an album is pretty universally understood by a majority of readers (at least in my opinion), and having the link so close to the link for the album and T-Pain could raise some sea of blue concerns. Aoba47 (talk) 13:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Jet's" → You could replace the apostrophe with {{'}} so it doesn't overlap with the t.

That is a very good catch! I have used your suggestion. Aoba47 (talk) 13:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overall really nice article, only a couple of very minor nitpicks I could find.
Not necessary, but a review at my FAC would be appreciated. AryKun (talk) 03:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AryKun: Thank you for your review. I greatly appreciate it! I would be more than happy to review your FAC. I hope you are having a great start to your week. Aoba47 (talk) 13:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support as all my concerns have been addressed. AryKun (talk) 13:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the support. I appreciate it! Aoba47 (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass

Formatting

Pass, per last review

Reliability

Pass, per last review and valid rationale for HotNewHipHop

Verifiability

Couldn't find any issues
Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 06:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the source review. Aoba47 (talk) 14:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Z1720

Non-expert prose review. Comments with a question mark signify that I am unsure about my suggestion, and leave the final decision to your discretion.

"one of them has the explicit and clean versions as well as the music video." I don't know what is meant by this phrase. What is the "them" that is being referred to here?

I have hopefully clarified this in the prose. It is intended to mean that one of the digital releases includes these versions of the song and the music video. Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"...along with "Not a Little Bit", "Got Em Like", and "Ain't You"." Should these singles be wikilinked?

Good catch. I am not sure how I over-looked that one. I have linked the first and third song as the second one does not have an article (at least at the moment). Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Seriah Buckler summarized the video..." Who is this person? Introduce their connection to the song in the article.

Revised. I actually had the introduction to this person later on in the article rather than on her first mention so that was a mistake on my part. Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Michelle further promoted "Mindful" through live performances." This line is in the lede, but I could not find in the article where it talks about Michele's promotion of this single or live performances. Did I miss this in the article?

The second paragraph of the "Background and release" section includes a sentence about her live performances of the song (at least the live performances that received coverage from reliable sources). Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those are my thoughts. Z1720 (talk) 01:34, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Thank you for the review. You have helped a lot as you have pointed out issues that I must have just been reading over while prepping this for a FAC. I believe that I have addressed everything. Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My concerns have been addressed and I can support. Z1720 (talk) 12:56, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the support. Aoba47 (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald Waldo Luis

For a one-minute song this article looks pretty ready for FA. I picked up several issues; if they're resolved I'll support this FAC. Gerald WL 04:42, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Expand "R&B" to "rhythm and blues (R&B)" per MOS:ACRO1STUSE. Although: I'm fine with the status quo as well, since I guess R&B is a pretty common term mainly attributed to the genre? But just wanna note.

R&B is the standard not only in Wikipedia, but in how music sources cover this genre so I do not think this is necessary. Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Link studio album and single?

Both are rather universally understood concepts so I feel that would be over-linking. Plus, the studio album link would be by the More Issues Than Vogue link would could create a sea of blue. Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Need another link for studio album in "for K. Michelle's third studio album More Issues Than Vogue"

I did not not link studio album in the lead so I did not link it in this section either. Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"in Atlanta"-- in some parts, the state is mentioned but in others--like this one here--it's not. I'm aware that the Atlanta article has no state in the title, but I suppose it'll be better to add the state for consistent flow.

From my understanding, larger and more well-known American cities do not use the state (i.e. Seattle, New York City, etc.). Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"along with" --> "along with those for"

Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The production of the "Mindful" video was shown on the reality television series"-- reality television duplicate link

Removed. Very good catch! Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"summarized the"-- should there be a "that" between?

Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"T-Pain does not appear in the video." Should this be noted? Isn't songwriters not appearing in a music video a common thing?

Fair enough. I have removed it. I had added it to the article as this was pointed out in an article, and T-Pain does have fame and recognition so that's probably why that article pointed it out, but it is rather trivial and does not really flow with the section. Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Michelle raps throughout the song. She had previously rapped on her 2012 mixtape 0 Fucks Given and a remix of Yo Gotti's 2015 single "Down in the DM"." --> "Michelle raps throughout the song, which she had previously rapped on her 2012 mixtape 0 Fucks Given...."

Revised with a slightly different wording to avoid having raps/rapped in the same sentence. Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"full-on urban R&B"-- MOS:ACRO1STUSE. For the "urban", I think Urban contemporary music is being referred to.

Added link for urban contemporary music, but R&B should stay the same per my above response (especially since this is a quote). Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Michelle directs the song toward "all kinds of hos""-- or "hoes"?

The citation spells it as "hos". Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aight so I Googled "hoes vs hos" and turns out different press sources use different wordings: "An AP story (on the San Francisco Chronicle site), CNN, NewsBusters, and Media Matters use hos while the New York Post and Chicago Tribune use hoes." I'll let that pass since it's a quote, same case with Among Us' article. Gerald WL 14:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Cragg," also "writing for The Guardian"

Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"and Jet's Najja Parker considered it not safe for work"-- I think, with the previous descriptions, readers can already guess the song is NSFW. Perhaps it can be linked in the word "explicit" at the background section, with a Jet citation?

Removed. It is probably not necessary since the release section already talks about explicit/clean versions of the song being released. Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"some of the few instances she has done "fun songs""-- but in the lead fun songs isn't quoted?

I thought it was a basic enough quote that it did not need quotation marks in the lead (as I avoid that in general), but I have paraphrased it now for the lead. Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Total duration?

From my understanding, the total duration for this kinds of track lists are not included. See "I'm Goin' Down" as a recent example of a song FA that does not have this. I do see your point though. Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Thank you for your review! I appreciate all the feedback and you have helped to improve the article a lot. I believe that I have addressed all of your comments. Aoba47 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your clarifications, and yeah I do need a little sea of blue reminder every now and then ;-; ... but it looks all good now, and with Elias' comment resolved too I'm giving a support. Nice stuff! Gerald WL 15:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the support! Aoba47 (talk) 15:24, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment from Elias

Hi! First time participating in an FAC, so please be gentle ^^;. Since I am too busy IRL to substantially comment on the prose, and since other folks seem to have reviewed most aspects of the article already, I'll go ahead and drop a drive-by comment here instead. ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 05:51, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Critics noted that its uptempo production differed from Michelle's previous singles, and she stated that it was one of the first times she recorded a fun song. / Critics praised Michelle's rapping in "Mindful", and referred to it as a highlight of her singles.

While the sentences are separated by a line break, I feel like we can change one of the "critics" here into a synonym to make the transition from the first paragraph to the next flow more smoothly. Perhaps change "critics noted... " to "some reviewers noted..." ?

@Troubled.elias: I have revised the lead using your suggestion. Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 14:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: No problem! Happy to have helped ^^; If you wish to do a , you may opt to give your comments in this peer review I've set up for "Streets" (song). Doing the undertaking as my first foray into bringing an article to FA Class. Cheers! ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 15:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would be more than happy to help with your peer review. I will try to get to it on Friday if that is okay with you as that is my day off work. Aoba47 (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Status update

@FAC coordinators: Apologies for the ping. I just wanted to get a status update for this nomination. Thank you for your time, and have a great start to your week! Aoba47 (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. (t · c) buidhe 06:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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