Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Central Committee elected by the 17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)/archive2

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Central Committee elected by the 17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)

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Nominator(s): --TIAYN (talk) 09:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Why? I felt it was important. Its pretty much a list of the entire Soviet party leadership 1934–1939. If someone notices why so many people died during the 1930s its because Stalin killed them. Thanks, --TIAYN (talk) 08:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Please replace all symbols with their corresponding symbol template for accessibility, similar to what you did for the Star of David. Thisisnotatest (talk) 08:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

@Thisisnotatest: They don't have corresponding template, and unlike the venus symbol and the star of david, these are random symbols which can mean whatever the editor wants.. There is no reason to templatize them. So why should I?--TIAYN (talk) 15:51, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

@Trust Is All You Need: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Text says some of those symbols will likely be read aloud to blind people using screen reader software as question marks. Rather than creating new templates, you could replace those symbols with symbols that already have templates. Thisisnotatest (talk) 22:43, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

@Thisisnotatest: But this is what I don't understand.. You said to templatize the star of david because there could be some people didn't know what the star of david was.. OK, so another description was added. ... But these symbols are random; so "† Indicates that the individual died of natural causes" should be enough (and a person can read this to a blind person). --TIAYN (talk) 07:48, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@Trust Is All You Need: I believe I said it wasn't accessible to blind people. The reason is that screen readers won't read it. But actually, I was thinking about it today, there's a larger issue. When it was just one symbol on that other page, the Star of David, which is well recognized for Jewish, that was probably okay. But now, this key is adding multiple symbols with meanings unrelated to their appearance. That's a lot of meaning for all people, not just blind people, to keep in their heads (or to scroll up and down and up and down) as they try to use the table. It would be better to replace the symbols with a brief word or two and just add another column to the table to contain that new word.

Abbreviations used
K	"K" is an abbreviation of the word Keys.
All	Individual membership in the Politburo, Secretariat and Orgburo.
Pol	Politburo member.
Sec	Secretariat member.
Org	Orgburo member.
Pol(Cand), Org(Cand)	"Cand" refers to "Candidate member"
Keys
	Indicates that the individual was born into a Jewish family.
Natural	Indicates that the individual died of natural causes.
Suicide	Indicates that the individual committed suicide.
Murder	Indicates that the individual was murdered.
Arrested	Indicates that the individual was arrested by Soviet authorities while holding a Central Committee seat.
Removed	Indicates that the individual was removed from the Central Committee.
Expelled	Indicates that the individual was expelled on 8 December 1937, but that the expulsion was confirmed later by the 13th Plenary Session on 20 January 1938.
Elevated	Indicates that the individual was elevated from candidate to full member.

@Thisisnotatest: The table is to big; we use symbols so that they don't take much space. The "Keys" section is there so that people can go back and forward. There is no need for the changes you're calling for. Its normal, other FLs do the same, for instance List of San Francisco 49ers head coaches, List of Indianapolis Colts seasons, List of Alabama Crimson Tide bowl games, List of Silver Slugger Award winners at catcher (I could go on forever). No need. --TIAYN (talk) 13:45, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

@Trust Is All You Need: There are plenty of other things in the table that take space. The table needs to be accessible and easily usable. One advantage of making each symbol a template as that it would also mouseover so that someone wouldn't have to scroll back up to the key. The fact that many pages use this system doesn't make it accessible or usable or that the featured list program ought to excuse it in the future. If you're concerned about space, then at least an abbreviation for each term would still be more usable than what is there now.

Abbreviations used
K	"K" is an abbreviation of the word Keys.
All	Individual membership in the Politburo, Secretariat and Orgburo.
Pol	Politburo member.
Sec	Secretariat member.
Org	Orgburo member.
Pol(C), Org(C)	"C" refers to "Candidate member"
Keys
	Indicates that the individual was born into a Jewish family.
Nat	Indicates that the individual died of natural causes.
Sui	Indicates that the individual committed suicide.
Murd	Indicates that the individual was murdered.
Arr	Indicates that the individual was arrested by Soviet authorities while holding a Central Committee seat.
Rem	Indicates that the individual was removed from the Central Committee.
Exp	Indicates that the individual was expelled on 8 December 1937, but that the expulsion was confirmed later by the 13th Plenary Session on 20 January 1938.
Elev	Indicates that the individual was elevated from candidate to full member.

Thisisnotatest (talk) 00:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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