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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Giants2008 03:26, 15 December 2012 [1].

List of churches in Moscow

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Nominator(s): Tomcat (7) 16:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have hidden the pictures which hindered its promotion. Regards. Tomcat (7) 16:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Please don't take offense when I say, I don't think you fully understand the problem. I don't either. I just spent several hours of my Sunday trying to find a conclusive answer to whether media files such as this one with its File: page in its current state satisfy relevant policies. I'm not a lawyer. I'm frustrated and my head is starting to hurt. If your solution to reviewers finding possible copyright problems is going to be to simply hide the files in the article (presumably for somebody else to solve the problem), then I suggest hiding them all and hiding them now, because the lack of freedom of panorama in Russia may be a problem for all of them. Alternatively, you could do something to convince my fellow reviewers and me that there are no copyright problems, either by pointing us to a relevant policy, guideline or discussion, or by tagging the files with Template:3-D in PD. Regards, Goodraise 22:44, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness." is that true? If so, that's not a good sign, as the actual featured list criteria calls for completeness, so it doesn't meet featured list criteria right now then
  • According to WP:FL?. "It comprehensively covers the defined scope, providing at least all of the major items and, where practical, a complete set of items; where appropriate, it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items." There are several lists that are actually incomplete, but still FLs.--Tomcat (7) 11:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "tallest Orthodox church" link all of that, not just "tallest" so readers understand
  • Yes, but maybe there's the possible that someone may believe that the link is actually to "tallest", not the tallest buildings in this case.
  • Avoid bold links per WP:ACCESS in table, you need to add plainrowheaders to the table's coding
  • Not done, since it is not a requirement. See Wikipedia:Five pillars. I should not stick to rules and don't always need to follow them. The page does not explain why boldface should not be used in this case. I would reconsider if it would benefit, but it seems like it doesn't.--Tomcat (7) 16:00, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is a requirement per the featured list criteria. If this isn't replace, then I'll have to oppose the list for not meeting the criteria of Manual of Style. I'm aware of the five pillars, and that doesn't apply in this case. TBrandley 19:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Goodraise about image concerns
  • Would suggest adding an "—" em-dash to those churches that have no images
  • Would remove "List of" from section headers and table captions because we already know this is a list

TBrandley 22:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment suggest you withdraw the list until the serious issue of misuse of images under the lack of freedom of panorama in Russia is resolved. Also, debating whether you can be bothered to meet the MOS or not is a non-starter, it's one of the criteria. By all means, IAR and quote five pillars, but that won't lead to a promotion at FLC in this case I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note if Tomcat7 is not going to be able to address these issues or worse, not be able to spend time on Wikipedia, suggest this is closed as unsuccessful until such a time its re-nomination may be more fruitful. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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