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Public sculptures by Daniel Chester French

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• Featured list candidates/Public sculptures by Daniel Chester French/archive1

Nominator(s): Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 03:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

A long time coming list of all of the public sculptures of Daniel Chester French --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 03:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Resolved comments from ~ HAL333 19:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

;Comments his older brother, William M.R. French It isn't especially clear whether this is Daniel's brother or his father's. His brother really isn't relevant. Removed --Guerillero Parlez Moi 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC) French's education ended and his career began in 1876. This could be made more concise. removed the extra his --Guerillero Parlez Moi 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC) The two sentences French was a prolific sculptor, creating public sculptures, sculptures for institutional collections, and medals. From 1871 until his death in 1931, French created 92 public sculptures. are a little choppy. Could you combine them in some way? It might help to note the number of medals and sculptures for institutional collections that he designed. Changed to French was a prolific sculptor, creating 92 public sculptures from 1871 until his death in 1931 due to the other kinds of works not being in this article --Guerillero Parlez Moi 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Are any of the unlinked statues notable enough to have their own articles? If so, could you make a few? Maybe one or two more could be notable, but I think this is out of the scope of this review. I wrote The Minute Man and it is now an FA. --Guerillero Parlez Moi 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Note c is a complete sentence and needs a full stop. Done --Guerillero Parlez Moi 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC) That's all. Nice work! ~ HAL333 22:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Happy to support. ~ HAL333 19:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• Looks great, just a few minor points......
• The sentence starting "French did not perform well academically" should probably be merged with the the next one
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Same with the sentence starting "French's education ended"
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• And the sentence beginning with "French moved his studio"
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• I would argue that in the city or neighbourhood column, "16th arrondissement of Paris" should sort under P (maybe being written as "Paris (16th arrondissement)") and The Bronx should sort under B
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

• The page has been moved from Public works by Daniel Chester French to Public sculptures by Daniel Chester French --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 20:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• @ChrisTheDude and HAL333: I have replied to your concerns --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 03:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Eliko007 (talk) 09:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

• "with John Quincy Adams Ward" I would say "with the sculptor John Quincy Adams Ward"
  • Done --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• "French studied sculpture in Florence, partly out of Thomas Ball's studio, for a year" I do not understand this. He went to Florence for a year? What does "out of Thomas Ball's studio" mean?
  • Thomas Ball had a studio in Florence and French worked out of Ball's studio for part of the year. I broke these apart --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• "French's education ended and career began in 1876 when French accepted a contract" The second "French" should be "he".
• "French was commissioned to create his first post-education statue" "first post-education" sounds awkward. Maybe delete?
  • His first public commission was The Minute Man. I deleted --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• "statue for a private group, John Harvard" I am not sure what is meant by a "private group" here. The article on the statue says that it was commissioned by an individual for the college.
  • Removed --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• "commissions for state, federal, and private groups" None for private individuals?
  • added a clause --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• "His final work, the Daniel Webster Memorial, was completed by his daughter Margaret French Cresson." You say this twice.
  • removed --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• The usual rule is that in sortable lists, links such as Forest Hills Cemetery should be repeated each time, not just given on the first usage as sorting will put the items in a different order.
• It would be helpful to have a column for the subjects of the statues, especially as some have no article on the statue itself. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
  • This would be a lot of original research. Most of the entries have an image to serve that purpose --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dudley Miles: Please let me know what you think --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 16:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Support. Looks fine. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments from Dank

• Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
• I think a recent-ish RfC requires table captions ... in cases like this one, with an sronly template ... AFAICT, this seems to be accepted practice at FLC now, so I added one.
• FLC criteria:
• 1. The prose is fine. I've done some trivial copyediting and avoided one redirect in the table; feel free to revert or discuss. The coding in the table seems fine.
• 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
• 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
• 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any problems (but this isn't a source review).
• 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
• 4. It is navigable.
• 5. It meets style requirements. Very attractive images!
• 6. It is stable.
• Support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 15:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• " centuries. French was born" He was born...
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• "he did a" perhaps "he undertook a"?
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• " in Florence for" it might be worth adding that this was in Italy as a large portion of readers might assume this is a Florence somewhere in the US.
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• "for a year. During part of his year in Florence, French worked out" -> "for a year, during part which he worked out"
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• "He would continue to produce statues" -> He continued.. and "produce statues" is a little repetitive.
  • changed to create --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• "would produce " ->"produced" again.
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• "it would remain" -> it remained.
  • Done. Eek. So much passive voice --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• Note [a] needs a reference.
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• Nature abhors a vacuum, put centred em-dash or en-dash in empty "photo" cells.
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• In sortable tables, linked all linked items every time as it's not certain which one will come first once re-ordered (e.g. United States Post Office and Sub-Treasury Building (Boston).
  • Done --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• "Glided bronze" you previously linked both parts of "Gilded copper"
  • linked --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• Why isn't Dupont Circle linked?
  • There is only one article for both the roundabout and the neighborhood. Unlike most other DC neighborhoods --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Let me know what you think --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 06:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Cool, happy to support now. Really nice work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 02:46, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

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