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The list was archived by Crisco 1492 03:22, 15 November 2014 [1].

The Fourteen Infallibles[edit]

Nominator(s): Mhhossein (talk) 06:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria of being a FL. As a main contributor, so much effort have been done to enhance the quality and to respect MOS. Mhhossein (talk) 06:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This needs a good copy edit to bring the laguage up to an encyclopaedic standard. The formatting also needs looking at - there are some basic errors there, like spaces between opening bracket and the first word, a comma without a space after it, etc. - SchroCat (talk) 10:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@SchroCat:

Done Thanks to Strivingsoul, the wording is improved and the errors are corrected. Mhhossein (talk) 03:40, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The language still isn't encyclopaedic enough to pass at FL, unfortunately. There are also formatting issues in the table which need working on (spaces before references—Muhammad ibn Abdullah [d] [11] is one example—inconsistent formatting—why is The Beloved italicised, and other bracketed names not, etc). "Note A" needs to have the citation formatted properly

You should also probably help out people unfamiliar with the terminology used. The third column refers to full name and "Kunya": although I can click on a link to find out what it means, a note on the page will stop people leaving the page and getting sidetracked into not coming back. (Do the same type of explanatory note as you have with the dates column)

In terms of the references, your refs refer to Tabatabaei 1977, but Shi'ite Islam is shown in the bibliography as having a 1979 publishing date. Why have a long bibliography, and still have a full book description in the refs (FN 33 – and Note A). There are a stack of books in the bibliography that shouldn't be there because they're not referred to in the text, as well as a number of titles in shouty caps that should be formatted properly (but only if they have been referred to in the text). – SchroCat (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The list seems of good quality, but here are a few issues:

The column structure is confusing. For example it took me a while that the name and title columns contain two separate entries each. why not have subcolumns?
move the death date into the last column
"53 (before Hijra)" an equivalent date in the modern calendar would be "53 BCE" not "53 (BCE)"
"The exact location of her grave is unknown" should be split with the "-" thing
the burial location for #1?
perhaps having a map (with birth, death, burial places) would be nice to those not at all familiar with the subject
d though bh footnotes should be included in the table

Nergaal (talk) 01:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Nergaal: Thanks for your smart suggestions. Please pay attention to the following:

I think having subcoloumns is not possible due the restriction in page width. This is while we have no problem with the page length. Do you still believe that we'd better make subcoloumns?
Placing the death date beside the birth date enables the reader to have a quick view of the individual's life length and his/her era. However, there's no problem and we can simply move it if there's problem with current state.
Done (BCE)------>BCE
What should be split with "-" in "The exact location of her grave is unknown"?
Done Burial place for No.1
Having a map is a nice suggestion. I'll try to find one, although it's not easy.
What do you mean by "d though bh footnotes should be included in the table"?

I'm looking for your further suggestions. Mhhossein (talk) 03:57, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been Archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:19, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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