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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 05:44, 4 October 2008 [1].

UAB Blazers football seasons[edit]

I am nominating this article because I think it fulfills the FL criteria, in addressing said subject. It is modeled after Virginia Tech Hokies football seasons, a featured list. Patriarca12 (talk) 23:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from SRX

Oppose

  • Lead
    • This is a list of seasons completed by the UAB Blazers football team of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS), representing the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB) as the Blazers. - Featured Lists are discouraged to begin with "This list is ___"
Have re-worded the first sentence to adjust for this. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • UAB is a member of Conference USA (C-USA) and has competed in the conference since 1999, when the Blazers joined after playing as an independent. - as an independent what?
Have wikilinked "independent" to the NCAA Division I-FBS independent schools article it refers to. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • After two years of club football play, on March 13, 1991, UAB President Charles McCallum and athletic director Gene Bartow announced that the university would compete in football as a NCAA Division III team beginning in fall 1991. - how about After two years of club football play, on March 13, 1991, UAB President Charles McCallum and athletic director Gene Bartow announced that the university would compete in football as a NCAA Division III team beginning in the fall of 1991.
Thanks for the suggestion. Have implemented, and it does flow better. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • No link to what football the article is talking about.
Have now wikilinked to College football in the first sentence. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Season
    • You should use the <br> parameters on the seasons column to place the notes under the word "Season."
Have made the necessary change. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • (only includes bowl games; 1 appearance) I find the "1 appearance" not needed because its self explanatory in the total.
Amended this fact, it does look better. Thanks. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Footnotes
    • This is horrible. All of the information related to individual season records was taken from the Records & History section of the 2008 UAB Football Media Guide - This should instead be incorporated as a row into the table with the Source: (name of source with link) like in the FL 2008 WWE Draft or cite the source using {{citeweb}} and divide the references section into general and specific.
Have reformatted per your 2008 WWE Draft suggestion. This is my first submission, and I was not quite sure to handle this type of citation. Will use this formatting for future articles. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notify for any changes.--SRX 00:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

  • Lead
    • UAB is a member of Conference USA (C-USA) and has competed in the conference since 1999, when the Blazers joined after playing as an independent. - no need for comma after 1999.
Comma removed Patriarca12 (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • After two years of club football play, on March 13, 1991, UAB President Charles McCallum and athletic director Gene Bartow announced that the university would compete in football as a NCAA Division III team beginning in the fall of 1991. - how about instead "that the university would compete for the NCAA in their Division III"?
Reworded and simply removed reference to NCAA as it was indicated in the lead that the team competes as part of the NCAA. Patriarca12 (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • From 1991 to 1992, UAB competed as a Division III independent. - as someone unaware of the subject, it would help to explain independent rather than just linking, WP:IN-U could be cited here.
Added statement to clarify what "independent" means in this context Patriarca12 (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • During this period, the Blazers compiled an 11–6–2 overall record before making the jump to Division I-AA for the 1993 season. - how about instead, "before switching to Division I-AA" no need for the long phrases.
Re-phrased as "before moving up to Division I-AA" Patriarca12 (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • From 1993 to 1995, UAB competed as a Division I-AA independent, and compiled a 21–12 overall record as a I-AA school prior to making the jump to Division I-A before the 1996 season.[1] - same thing here.
Re-phrased as "before moving up to Division I-A" Patriarca12 (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Already a participating member of Conference USA in other sports, on November 13, 1996, C-USA commissioner Mike Slive announced UAB would be admitted to the league as a football playing member beginning with the 1999 season.[6] - "announced that" (change is in bold)
Added Patriarca12 (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--SRX 00:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Lead is too long per WP:LEAD - probably two paras for an article of this length will suffice.
Cut the text down to two paragraphs, removing redundant information present in the UAB Blazers football article. Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image could do with being "thumb"ed with a caption.
Done Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Expand where UAB is for non-US experts, so add something like "situated in Birmingham, Alabama..." and appropriately wikilinked.
Done Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need to abbreviate FBS as you don't use it anywhere after the first time.
Removed Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "regular-season " - is this really hyphenated?
Corrected Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 3rd->third.
Removed statement using this Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Organized football.." - tempted to link football to American football here to avoid alienating billions of "soccer" readers.
Removed statement using this Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "From 1991 to 1992" - is this one season or two?
Clarified and appropriately wikilinked to the supporting article Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "or not as a member of a NCAA-affiliated conference" - reads odd - was it one or the other or does the "or ..." mean an alternative meaning?
Clarified Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During this period, the Blazers compiled an 11–6–2 overall record before moving up to Division I-AA for the 1993 ..." - this "period" was 1991 to 1992 last sentence...
Reworded and clarified Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link NCAA first time, not second..
Removed excessive wikilink Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "1996 season" - link both words, not just the year.
Corrected Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Auburn links to a specific team year - avoid this - link to the team by all means but avoid this kind of easter egg linking.
Corrected Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1999 and 2008 "season" links to the "team" so, once again, avoid the easter egg linking.
Corrected Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scores and overall records need explanation i.e. you have " record of 31–37" and then "record of 91–97–2" - which isn't clear to non-experts.
Clarified all records illustrated on the list Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:MOS#COLORS says don't just use colours for representing a property - add a dagger, asterisk or something as well.
Added symbology Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is 2004 season bold?
It should not have been, corrected Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • See also is not required.
Removed Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where is footnote 1 cited?
Citation provided for now next to footnote Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 3 has a raw URL, and a Pg for page ref.
Corrected Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 4 cites a single page but uses pp.
Corrected Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to make comments, as this is my first attempt at creating a FL. Please let me know what else may need to be addressed.Patriarca12 (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose

  • "Beginning in the inaugural..." - "Since their inaugural..." - because it is redundant to say they began in their inaugural season.
Corrected.
  • Remove space between colon and [2].
Space removed.
  • Still don't see where footnote 1 is referenced.
Finally figured out the proper syntax for this and corrected.
  • en-dash for page ranges still.
Added
  • And use "pp." for multiple pages, not Pg. (ref 1)
Corrected
  • And use "p." for single pages, not Pg. (ref 6)
Corrected

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, thank you for taking the time to comment!Patriarca12 (talk) 22:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support

  • Why is the footnote [A 1]?
  • You have a key for conference champs but it's never used - optimistic?!

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As below, to get the nom out of the way, I fixed these. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

To get this nomination out of the way, I removed the logo and put an image of their stadium up instead. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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